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Subject: MEETING MINUTES -- 07 SEPT 2004 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES -- 07 SEPT 2004 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE
*** Please see Action Items and Decision Summary at the end ***
** Agenda **
------------
1. Roll call
2. Review/approve minutes from 31 August (pending availability)
3. Resume discussion on current issues (from last week and the
list):
- Comparison between DITA and S1000D--any further actions?
- For the Exchange table model (agreed on last week):
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200408/msg00042.html,
in particular the final bullet. What migration issues can
the TC help mitigate for current users?
4. DTD cleanup
- Alignment convention (elements, attributes, comments, etc.)
- Testing the DTDs and Schemas
5. Feasibility of a TC F2F?
6. AOB?
- Schedule reminder:
- 17 Aug 2004
- First major milestone -- complete
first draft of first section and send
out for review.
- Begin review of 1st section.
- 07 Sep 2004
- Complete review/revision of 1st
section; begin review of 2nd section.
- 28 Sep 2004
- Complete review/revision of 2nd
section; begin review of 3rd section.
- 19 Oct 2004
- Complete review/revision of 3rd
section; beginning of final review
- 02 Nov 2004
- Complete final review
- 16 Nov 2004
- Release 1.0 spec to OASIS
** Minutes **
-------------
1. Roll call
- Members: Paul Grosso, Mike Wethington, Wendy Hambleton,
Michael Priestley, France Baril, JoAnn Hackos, Seraphim
Larsen, Bruce Esrig, Robin Cover, Rob Frankland, Stanley
Doherty, Sharon Veach, Jerry Smith, Don Day
- We do have quorum (14/22)
- Observers and Visitors: David Brainard, Erik Hennum,
Kirsten Nothstine, Alan Houser
2. Review/approve minutes from 31 August
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200409/msg00000.html
- Minutes approved by acclamation.
3. Resume discussion on current issues (from last week and the
list):
- Comparison between DITA and S1000D--any further actions?
- JoAnn -- Without Scott on the phone, how do we resolve
this? (Scott is the one who originated the
discussion.)
- Don -- Perhaps at this point we should just draft some
comments saying that there are relationships between
DITA and other topic-based architectures?
- Erik -- Perhaps we should come up with a consistent
approach to addressing relationships between DITA and
other topic-based standards -- not just focused on
S1000D.
- Seraphim -- Let's include this in the "best practices"
doc that accompanies the spec -- not in the spec
itself.
- Don -- Let's make this a formal recommendation (future
agenda item?), to create a "best practices" document
separate from the spec. We will include the
discussion on other topic-based standards in this
"best practices" doc.
- For the Exchange table model (agreed on last week):
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200408/msg00042.html,
in particular the final bullet. What migration issues can
the TC help mitigate for current users?
- The following bullet from above link has the specific
issues:
- "To match our [DITA-enriched] model, [the
Exchange] table would need:"
- "[To add to the table element] %univ-atts;,
(%select-atts; + %id-atts; + @translate
+ @xml:lang), %global-atts; (@xtrf + @xtrc),
and @class, as well as the @rowheader
attribute and the @scale attribute."
- @scale -- Is there utility to keeping this
attribute? Any discussion?
- This is a styling attribute. It
indicates the font scaling of the
table. When you are in a print
environment, it instructs the composer
to adjust the font size relatively.
- Current proposal -- To keep @scale as
a DITA-specific
- Paul Grosso: concerned that we're
adding a presentation attribute that
is just needed by IBM -- seems like an
extra complication that we don't need.
- Michael Priestley -- We don't have
a mechanism for adding new attributes
as a part of a specialization, so this
is something we need to include now.
Many customers (not just IBM) want
high-quality print output, and this is
needed to ensure high-quality
printable tables.
- Bruce Esrig from Lucent agrees.
- @scale is the only attribute that
crosses the line into presentation.
- JoAnn -- Have we heard from Indi about
this? Nokia is doing both print and
online, correct?
- Don -- Yes, France Baril is someone we
should ask also.
- France -- She's had to find a way to
present her tables properly.
- Don -- From all this, it seems like
the discussion of the @scale attrib.
is not DITA-specific. We need to
perhaps have a separate discussion
about presentation attributes in
general.
- Michael -- He's pessimistic about
finding a general presentation
mechanism that applies to tables. The
problem is that @scale is based on the
content, not the semantics.
- Don -- Action item to explain this on
the list some more.
- "Tgroup, thead, tbody, and row would also need
the %univ-atts;, %global-atts;, and @class
values;"
- "Entry would need %global-atts; and @class."
- "[In addition, the DITA-unique <desc> element
would need to be added in; this element
enables more consistent presentation of both
figures and tables.]"
- Terminology
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
4. DTD cleanup
- Alignment convention (elements, attributes, comments,
etc.)
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
- Testing the DTDs and Schemas
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
5. Feasibility of a TC F2F?
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
6. AOB?
- Ran out of time -- Not addressed
** Summary of Decisions **
--------------------------
- None
** Action Required **
---------------------
017 Shawn Jordan -- Post to the TC list his ideas about general
extensibility and the creation of new elements not
necessarily descended from the Topic element. Still open
(not an immediate deliverable -- for post-1.0).
021 JoAnn Hackos, Michael Priestley -- Summarize the discussion
of substitution and post to the TC list. Still pending as of
7/20/04.
022 Don, Michael -- Put together a "self-study" tutorial/demo,
as per JoAnn's comments regarding the DITA sessions. Still
pending as of 7/20/04.
026 Michael -- See how Conref and XInclude contrast with SGML.
Still pending as of 7/20/04. <<< Closed as of 9/7/04.
036 Shawn Jordan -- Investigate where to point the DITA
namespace -- where does the URL point? Maybe an OASIS page
that describes what DITA does, etc. Still pending 8/17/04.
040 Don -- Cull the past minutes and discussion list to create
an inventory of all the things we need to close on in order
to create the 1.0 spec. Create a list of these items and
post it in the Documents area of the website. >>> This will
be ongoing.
042 All -- Consider need for and practicality of 2-3 day
face-to-face meeting in late October in order to resolve
final technical issues in advance of final editorial work.
043 Michael Priestley -- Add a straw-man audience statement to
the introduction. <<< Still pending as of 9/7/04.
046 Don? -- Incorporate review comments from today's discussion
into the 1.0 draft (8/17/04). <<< Don sent review comments
to Michael, as of 9/7/04.
050 Don Day -- Start a subcommittee to resolve the namespace
issues. New as of 8/31/04. <<< Completed as of 9/7/04;
however, it will not be a formal subcommittee, but just
a discussion group that will bring their conclusions to the
TC for final approval.
051 Don Day, 9/7/04 -- Take the discussion of @scale attribute
and related issues to the list (presentation mechanisms).
** Issues to be Resolved **
---------------------------
005 All -- What should the scope and length of the conceptual
introduction be? >>> We'll get this from JoAnn.
006 All -- Should DITA specialization mechanism be documented in
a separate specification in order to make it easier to use
in other XML applications that otherwise have no
relationship to topic-based writing? >>> Ongoing.
008 Namespace Subcommittee -- Decide namespace issues. New as
of 8/31/04.
009 "Best Practices" document -- Let's put this on the agenda
for future discussion.
010 Relationship between DITA and other topic-based
architectures (such as S1000D) -- Need to incorporate this
into the "Best Practices" document.
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