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Subject: Re: [dita] Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 28 October 2014 uploaded
My action items have been completed. The generated DTDs in SVN now reflect the @longdescre and "tree" for @collection-type special cases. Cheers, E. ————— Eliot Kimber, Owner Contrext, LLC http://contrext.com On 10/29/14, 9:57 PM, "Nancy Harrison" <nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com> wrote: > Submitter's message > ActionItem: >Eliot will update RNG and transforms to implement the TC's decisions on >maintaining backwards compatibility wrt @longdescre in 'object' and >@collection-type="tree" in linklist/linkpool within base topic module. >see >https://trello.com/c/JM3CYsFR/12-fix-bug-in-definition-of-collection-type- >in-dtd >and https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201401/msg00037.html for >more detail. > >================================================= >Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC >Tuesday, 28 October 2014 >Recorded by Nancy Harrison >link to agenda for this meeting: >https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas > > >Regrets: none > > >Standing Business >================= >Approve minutes from previous business meetings: >https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00186.html (21 >October, Nancy Harrison) >Proposed by Kris, seconded by Don, approved by TC > > >Subcommittee Reports > none > Help SC: scheduled for 4 Nov. > > >Announcements > none > 18 Nov. TC meeting cancelled (too many members at DITA Europe) > 4 Nov, 11 Nov, regrets from Nancy, Dick will do minutes > > >Business >======== >1. DITA 1.3 progress > Second spec review (Eberlein & Anderson) > Transformation utilities and DITA 1.3 grammar files (Kimber) >[see specific agenda items below] > >2. Action items > - Action items from 26 August 2014: > Nancy will review specialization and constraints topics, with the >purpose of: a) suggesting placement for new topic or content chunk, b) >reviewing for clarity, organization, technical accuracy. This is in >regard to content re limitations of XSD shells and constraints. (Waiting >on Kris to generate new versions of spec, which was done 7 October 2014) >Nancy; currently working on above topics; will continue and provide >feedback by Thurs 30 Oct. > - Action items from 2 September: > Stan to assess Front Page wiki for possible clean-up >Stan; will complete this by end of week (Fri.) > > >3. 2nd spec review progress: 13 - 27 October 2014 > - https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/1.3-spec-review-#preview > Wiki page contains: > Download link for official review draft > Review objectives > Tracking tables for review assignments > Information about prizes (yet to be determined) > - Review stats as of 7:30 AM ET, 28 October 2014: > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00188.html > >Kris; we've gotten a lot of good reviews, will give everyone another few >days [thru Friday], except for Eliot, who's already provided a huge >number of comments. >Robert; the number of Eliot's comments have pushed our review date out. >we really need reviews by folks other than Eliot, especially around keys; >i.e., we need reviews from people who don't know keys so well. >Kris; we will need another round of review for key-based comments, which >Robert, ChrisN, and I will then need to go over. >Robert; that second round will have to include getting rid of extra >verbiage, even if its nice... >[there were offers from various TC members to help with review, which >Kris and Robert declined.] >Seth; should folks try to implement Eliot's non-technical comments? >Joann; what do you want done? >Robert,Kris; not sure yet; DITAweb is great for collecting comments, but >not so good at helping to integrate them. >[discussion of how complete and how 'perfect' the 1.3 spec needs to be] >Stan; I'd be glad to help with putting in small edits. >Kris; we really need to get this spec out; it's already very far past our >original dates. > > - Proposal owners' review > Table of proposal owner reviews >Kris; all owners have done their reviews, which is very good. > > >4. Trello items: Spec clarification and improvements > >https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/1.3-spec-review-#trello-spec-clarificatio >ns > > >5. DITA MIME type > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00159.html >(Hunt, 24 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00164.html >(Anderson, 24 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00166.html >(Robin Cover, 24 October 2014) >Robert gave an overview; I was editing non-normative sections in the >spec; the 1.2 spec says that we're setting up a DITA mime type and that >it's final. For the time being, I'm commenting it out of spec. Unless >someone is actively pursuing it, shouldn't be any mention of it in spec; >we can still pursue it. I talked to JohnH about it; he said they (Web >SC) would look into it. >Kris; I support commenting it out. Robin Cover responded and said OASIS >would work on it, but we'd still need to have a TC member own this. I'll >send email to Scott Hudson since he was interested, but if he can't do >it, we'll let Robin know we're not doing it for now. > > >6. Statements of use for DITA 1.3 > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00114.html >(Eberlein, 20 October 2014) > Eliot: Clients use learning2, MathML, and XML mention domain > Eberlein: Clients use XML mention & updated highlighting domain; >DITAVALref > Troubleshooting topic: In use by Avaya, GE, and Skyward > Troubleshooting topic: Planned to be used by Ericsson and various >Japanese companies >Kris; we need some more of these; I'll send out Chet Ensign's full >description of these, to help in getting good ones. >Joann; we're working on getting a few others. >Seth; at Freescle, we're using 1.3, but we've removed a lot of the 1.3 >functionality, so it's more like 1.2. >Don; are you using constraints a la 1.3? >Seth; I'll check that. > > >7. Reminder about OASIS process for DITA 1.3 / Length of time required > >https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00114/Planning-DITA-1 >.3.pdf >Kris; all TC members please review this; I will be discussing with Robert >the possibility of how to get back on track wrt our schedule. > > >8. Continued item: Issues in DTDs checked into SVN -- > New e-mail (since 21 Oct) > - DTD and XSD Generation Testing: Exemplars (Kimber, 22 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00145.html > - Entity definition comparison between legacy 1.2 DTDs and >RNG-sourced 1.2 DTDs (Thomas, 23 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00146.html > - Commit of Interim Generated DTDs and XSDs (Kimber, 23 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00148.html > Old e-mail discussed at 21 Oct. TC meeting > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00110.html >(Anderson, 20 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00111.html >(Kimber, 20 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00112.html >(Anderson, 20 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00113.html >(Eberlein, 20 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00115.html >(Anderson, 20 October 2014) > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201410/msg00116.html >(Kimber, 20 October 2014) > > >Bob; I didn't find all that many problemsin my entity definition >comparison. >Kris; Eliot, have you been able to fix the problems Bob found? >Eliot; I think so >Kris; i notice they now have public IDs >Robert; I put the new versions thru my tests and I didn't get any >additional errors. >Eliot; I validated everywhere in the spec where there was a new examples; >as a side effect, I found some issues with the RNG versions; I'm pretty >sure things are conformant with 1.3 today. If anyone would like to >contribute test documents, that would be good; I'm not sure I have >exhaustive tests. >Kris; a number of TC members volunteered to do some testing; David and >Chris, could you do that now? >David, Chris; yes >Kris; between now and next week's TC meeting? >Chris; yes, David; maybe >Eliot; I've updated transforms to generate DTDs & schemas that will be >able to be compared line by line and have generally the same format as >the 1.2 versions. > > >11. On-going items: DITA 1.3 > > Lessons learned re proposal and review processes > What worked well? > What didn't work? > How can we improve the process in the future? > Normative terminology > > >Eliot; for next week, I posted a message about markup//terminology; can >we discuss that next week? >Kris; Robert and I will have to think about that in our review; the >question is; do we have the time to discuss and come to agreement on >terminology, especially when the conflicts already exist at 1.1, 1.2. >Eliot; I think it's important; for example, the term 'navigation tree' >may not be the right term for what we've used it for. >Robert; I also noticed a review comment where Eliot made a formal >objection to something we'd already decided on, in this case an >undocumented @collection-type value of 'tree' in the topic module, for >the linklist/linkpool elements. This came up at the 14Jan2014 TC >meeting; we discussed it and decided to leave it in the DTD and mark it >as deprecated, and leave it out of the XSD schemas; the TC approved this. >Eliot; I don't remember the meeting when it was voted on. >Robert; a further concern; the TC had made that decision based on >precedent, in 1.1, we noticed that 'object' in the DTD, but not XSD, >included a @longdescre; we added @longdescref but left the error in for >backwards compatibility. Eliot's RNG is making changes to XSDs that >change out past decisions. >Eliot; I'll make changes on tree value on links and longdescre @. >Kris; there's also a Trello card on tree value on links >ActionItem: Eliot will update RNG and transforms to implement the TC's >decisions on maintaining backwards compatibility wrt @longdescre in >'object' and @collection-type="tree" in linklist/linkpool within base >topic module. see >https://trello.com/c/JM3CYsFR/12-fix-bug-in-definition-of-collection-type- >in-dtd >and https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201401/msg00037.html for >more detail. > > >closed at 11:54 EDT > >-- Nancy Harrison > > > > Document Name: DITA TC Meeting Minutes 28 October 2014 ><https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/document.php?document_ >id=54421> > ________________________________________ > No description provided. > Download Latest Revision ><https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/54421/lat >est/minutes20141028.txt> > Public Download Link ><https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=54421&wg_a >bbrev=dita> > ________________________________________ > Submitter: Nancy Harrison > Group: OASIS Darwin Information Typing Architecture >(DITA) TC > Folder: Meeting Notes > Date submitted: 2014-10-29 19:57:21 > > >
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