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Subject: Re: [dita] Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 August 2015 uploaded
Actually, it uses the OASIS exchange table model, which is a proper subset of the CALS model. Cheers, E. ---- Eliot Kimber, Owner Contrext, LLC http://contrext.com On 8/26/15, 9:39 AM, "Nancy Harrison" <dita@lists.oasis-open.org on behalf of nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com> wrote: >DITA doesn't use the CALS table model, though DocBook does. It does use >the HTML Exchange Table model. > > >In any case, I'll change the attribution. > > >Nancy > > >_____________ >Nancy Harrison >Infobridge Solutions >nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com > > >On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Bob Thomas <bob.thomas@tagsmiths.com> >wrote: > >I actually meant the CALS table model ><https://www.oasis-open.org/specs/a502.htm>. But, I think that I wrongly >referred to it as the OASIS Open table model. > >On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tom Magliery ><tom.magliery@justsystems.com> wrote: > >Hi Nancy, I did not say this. I think maybe it was Bob. > >" tom; what about table model html exchange tagle model" > >mag > > >From: dita@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita@lists.oasis-open.org] On >Behalf Of Nancy Harrison >Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:21 PM >To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: [dita] Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 August 2015 uploaded > > >Submitter's message >ActionItems: >1. David will submit Statement of Use today >2. All TC voting members: Once ballot is opened, vote on moving spec to a >candidate standard. >3. Eliot, Robert, Chris, Michael, and Tom will review 'DITA from A to Z' >article and provide feedback. >4. Nancy will conven group to work on Committee Note > >================================================= >Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC >Tuesday, 25 August 2015 >Recorded by Nancy Harrison >link to agenda for this meeting: >https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas > > >Regrets: none > > >Standing Business >================= >https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201508/msg00136.html >(Magliery, 18 August 2015) >Proposed by Kris, seconded by Nancy, approved by TC > > >Subcommittee Reports >none > >Announcements >None > > >Business >======== >1. Action items >- 18 August 2015: Statements of use from the following TC members: >Comtech Services, Inc. (Scott; completed) >Contrext (Eliot; completed) >Eberlein Consulting LLC (Kris; completed) >IXIASOFT (Keith) >JustSystems (Tom; completed) >PTC (David) settled out >Kris; all Statements of Use have been submitted, except from PTC >David; we'll have that soon; I was just waiting till the wording had been >nailed down. >Kris; can you have it for today? >David; yes > > >2. Calendar for critical dates to enable DITA 1.3 to be released in 2015 >Schedule: July - December 2015 >Kris; we're on track for our dates, in fact a bit early, we had enough >SoUs by friday; so we're ready to move to the next phase. >[planning slides] >- completed public review of spec draft >- approved committe spec >- passed 'material change' review >- now today we'll request approval to vote on the committee spec, after >which another OASIS TC ballot will be open for 7 days; then we'll submit >the spec and supporting materials to Chet at OASIS for our candidate >standard. He will take about 2 weeks to review it, then send it out for >public review. >Robert; at that point we can only change typos, if that, but nothing else. >Don; if anything comes up at that part, we wait for 60 days after >approval of 1.3, then issue errata. > > >3. Statements of use >- Statements of use for DITA 1.3 >https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA1.3StatementsOfUse >- Interoperation -- and what it means in a DITA >https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201508/msg00137.html (Chet >Ensign, 20 August 2015 -- Contains almost entire thread) >- OASIS definition of a statement of use: >https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#dStatementUse >- Chet's clarification of what we need to have in statements of use: >https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201508/msg00128.html (Chet >Ensign, 20 August 2015) >Kris; note above our discussion of OASIS understanding of >interoperability; also, Chet was very impressed with our 12 SoUs. > > >4. Vote: Approve the statements of use that are listed at Statements of >use for DITA 1.3 >Kris; if David is sure he can submit PTC's SoU today, let's include it. >David; I can definitely have it today. >Kris moved to approve the SoUs, Scott seconded, TC approved in consensus >to approve SoUs including PTC's from David. > > >5. Motion to approve CS01 as a Candidate OASIS standard: >Kris moved to approve CS01 as a Candidate OASIS standard, using the >following language: >Motion: "As chair, I move to request that TC Administration hold a >Special Majority Vote to approve submitting the Darwin Information Typing >Architecture (DITA) Version 1.3, Committee Specification 01 at >https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=56340&wg_ab >brev=dita as a Candidate OASIS Standard." >Motion was seconded by Don. >Results: approved 13-0 >voting 'yes' 13 (Anderson, Day, Doherty, Eberlein, Harrison, Helfinstine, >Hudson, Kimber, Magliery, Nitchie, Priestley, Sirois, Thomas) >voting 'no' 0 > > >6. Request a Special Majority Vote to Proceed to Candidate OASIS Standard >Info needed for this request logged at the following URL: >https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA1.3TCAdminRequests#Request_a_Special_ >Majority_Vote_to_Proceed_to_Candidate_OASIS_Standard >Two items that we need to review: >Clear English-language summary of the specification >kris; based thisson similar form to 1.2; basic abstract for spec, the >list of new features >everyone comfortable with this? >robt; are we allowed to say rng is normative version of dtd files? >kris; not sure, we couldn't say the spec trumped the grammar files. robt; >let's check that after call >tom; also troubleshooting elements, not just topic >kris; added to list of enhancements >Relationship of this specification to similar work >kris; this is same as 1.2 language. >tom; what about table model html exchange tagle model >don; this is about role of usage, not just play of exact rel. of elements >between 2 standards. DB borrows from html as well, but they say the same >thing. >kris; we'll go with these, don't know if anyone reads them, but >mp; re html question, we do borrow markup diretly from html... >robt; don't know what line is between >don; look at this in arch view; dit is different enough to not be >considered related. >mp; seems strange, but this has no rel to any other standard >don; if it worked for 1.2, will work n ow >mp; I'll buy that >kris; i agree > >7. DITA TC review of Adoption TC white paper: >"DITA 1.3, from A to Z" >https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=56342&wg_ab >brev=dita-adoption >Volunteers to review and provide feedback this week? >- Kris; we need volunteers to review this. >- Stan; just as an fyi, it's already reeased; it's not out for review. >- Michael; is it not a part of the Adoption TC's policy to get DITA TC >review of this kind of article? >- Robert; I looked at it last night, and it has at least one technical >error, plus one item that's seriously misleading. >- Stan; most of Adoption TC members are also DITA TC members. >- Michael; but for the previous article, Leigh White's key scopes >article, we on the TC were specifically told by Joann NOT to review >Adoption TC stuff before the Adoption TC had completed its review, so we >assumed that we would at least be invited to review Adoption TC material >after that TC had completed their internal review. >- Stan; there's actually no formal connection between the two TCs, though >we could create one. >- Kris; Stan is technically right, there's no formal connection, and none >is allowed by OASIS rules for TCs. OTOH, when Adoption TC was created, I >was the formal liaison between the 2 TCs, and there was a clear >uderstanding that any feature article or white paper with technical >content about DITA needed to come to the DITA TC for review before >publication. I've heard a lot of concern from DITA TC members with >technical concerns about this whitepaper about the fact that this didn't >happen with this whitepaper. >- Keith; as the author of the paper, we [on Adoption TC] have had our own >concerns with timeliness; it was written 2 months ago, and we felt the >paper needed to come out asap. >- Kris; historically, when we have reviewed Adoption TC white papers, we >did it in a week >- Michael; the last time we on the DITA TC provided feedback, we were >waved off from providing input. That's why we've been waiting. >- Keith; I see >- Michael; So technical reviewers who weren't on both committees were >locked out. >- Robert; officially, we still haven't been asked to review the article; >I only looked at it - unofficially - because I saw it was out. >- Kris; as TC chair, I am asking for reviews to be posted asap. >Wolunteers? >[Eliot, Robert, Chris, Michael, and Tom volunteered] >- Kris; as a reminder to our volunteer reviewers: the audience for this >is adopters, not implementors, so it's not appropriate for it to be as >detailed, or have the tone, as the specification. But of course, it needs >to be accurate. >- Keith; in terms of tone, we want to keep it brief, no longer than 2-3 >paragraphs for any description. >ActionItem; volunteers will review the white paper asap and post reviews. > > >8. DITA TC Committee Note: "Why are there three editions of DITA 1.3?" >- Brainstorm of what we want this committee note to contain >- Volunteers: Amber Swope, John Hunt ... More? >- Kris; Paul ? has provided us with an OASIS template for an "OASIS >Committee Note"; I built a draft, now we need authors for the note, Amber >and John Hunt have stepped forward, but mostly for the all-inclusive >(L&T) edition. We need authors who are interested in the other 2 >editions, but first. what are we trying to convey in this? >- Michael; we need to overcome that irony that we have created a >massively complex system in order to make it easier to use what was >perceived as a massively complex system. >- Don; We should use the model of a cookbook; make it easy to find your >approach within a sea of possibilities. >- Tom; we want to help people navigate thru the reams of gobbledygook >making up an OASIS spec. The one line that might be useful to them, the >one that says, e.g. 'this is part 2', is buried in OASIS spec language. >- Kris; so should this document talk about number of features, number of >elements in each edition, compare? >- Michael; I still think that makes sense >- Kris; anything else? Michael; I'll put you on the spot >- Michael; do you want me to rearticulate it? add to doc? >- Kris; either, but at least provide feedback about what needs to be in >it. >- Michael; I think people get it, It was either 1) we trim the spec down >to where it makes someone happy, because it has just what they need, but >it makes everyone else unhappy, or 2) do one massive spec, or 3) do it by >audience, with clustering equated to 1) minimal spec, with just basics, >2) base + techcomm, which were already in gen'l use, or 3) techcomm + >l&t, those were the 3 mail audiences >- Kris; one thing we could touch; one thing that came out of 1.2 was that >we were separating technical communications specialization (c/t/r) from >the base, That wasn't the case for 1.1 or 1.0, and it wasn't clearly >articulated; this note might give us the opportunity to clarify and >expand on that decision. >- Nancy; should the note include some historical context? >- Eliot; I'd like to see a statement emphasizing that c/t/r are not base, >theyre specializations. >- Don; as an fyi, the first developerworks article on DITA talked about >how specializations coud be put to use; we could go back to that and get >it into this document, to illustrate how DITA is very versatile. >- Kris; I think it would be wise to include historical context, also give >us a chance to move forward. Do I have any additional volunteers? >[nancy volunteered] >AI; nancy will convene group to start work > >- Don; being able to express these thoughts/concepts on dita.xml.org ><http://dita.xml.org>, and have DITA thought leaders involved in it would >be very useful; should it be part of blogs in >dita.xml.org <http://dita.xml.org>? >- Kris; that would be a great use of dita.xml.org <http://dita.xml.org>, >but we need to get this committee note authored in sept/oct time frame. >we can't afford to allow any expansion to scope of this, in order to have >it in the time frame. >- Tom; I'm not sure I'll be able to write any content content for it, but >I want to be involved in the group working on it, and maybe I can provide >some graphiccs.. >- Kris; graphics would be particularly useful for this document; this >needs to be a very tightly focused message, plus it needs to be out on >time. Bob, can I ask you to help with stylesheets for this? >- Bob; yes > > > >9. Campaigning for the DITA 1.3 vote: >- Ballot info for DITA 1.2: >https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/voting/ballot.php?id=1968 >- Spreadsheet of OASIS voting members who will vote to approve DITA 1.3: >http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/dita/administratio >n/voting-OASIS-members-August-2015.xlsx >o The spreadsheet includes e-mail addresses, whether a company uses DITA, >whether the company is a TC member, and whether the company voted Yes on >DITA 1.2 >Kris; we're looking for a campaign coordinater for this effort. Maybe >Tom?? > > >Other: >Kris; I'd like to announce that Tom will be taking on the role as an >additional TC sec'y, given there's so much going on. >Don; it makes us look good, that we're so busy. >Kris; I will also try to share the workload a bit. > > > >12 noon ET Close > > >-- Ms. Nancy Harrison >Document Name: DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 August 2015 ><https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/document.php?document_ >id=56348> >________________________________________ > >No description provided. >Download Latest Revision ><https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/56348/lat >est/minutes20150825.txt> >Public Download Link ><https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=56348&wg_a >bbrev=dita> >________________________________________ > >Submitter: Ms. Nancy Harrison >Group: OASIS Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) TC >Folder: Meeting Notes >Date submitted: 2015-08-25 15:20:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >Bob Thomas+1 720 201 8260 <tel:%2B1%20720%20201%208260> >Skype: bob.thomas.colorado >Instant messaging: Gmail chat (bob.thomas@tagsmiths.com) or Skype >Time zone: Mountain (GMT-7) > > > > > > > > > > >
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