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Subject: Raw minutes from chat meeting #176 on 2017-FEB-20
[13:31] Room information was updated by: Stefan Hagen OASIS Digital Signature Services eXtended (DSS-X) TC Weekly Meeting (Conference Call) #176 - Monday, 20 February 2017, 12:00 to 13:00 ET (UTC-5) - i.e. 2017-02-20 18:00 to 19:00 CET (UTC+1) - other timezone? Try eg.: - https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2017&month=2&day=20&hour=17&min=0&sec=0&p1=47&p2=69&p3=179 Meeting Member URL: - URL = https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/event.php?event_id=43691 - Please use starting approx. 15 minutes before the meeting for self registration. Thanks. - Self registration deep link (as a service): - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/record_my_attendance.php?event_id=43691&confirmed=1 Agenda-Draft E-Mail URL: - E-Mail Public URL = https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00044.html Minutes Draft Public URL (previous meeting): - URL = https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/60077/dssx-175-draft-minutes-shagen-20170206.txt Online document walkthroughs or presentations: - URL = "Upon request via join.me" Timeline: - URL = "Ad Hoc " Agenda Draft (for meeting #160): - Roll call - Approve agenda - Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) - Minutes from Februray 06, 2017 TC meeting #175: - URL https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/60077/dssx-175-draft-minutes-shagen-20170206.txt - Reports from ETSI ESI STF-524 meetings - Core and Profile Maintenance - Local Signature Profile - Profile for Comprehensive Multi-Signature Verification Reports - Core - Open Action Items from Previous Call(s) - Core Issues in state New or Open (added since last meeting) - DSSX-10 | Difference between PDF and XSD with respect to cardinality of ChainingOK within CertificateValidityType - Discussion - New Profile Candidates - PAdES - Server Site Profile for JEE Code Signing - Next meeting - Monday March 06, 2017 during 18:00 - 19:00 CET? (2017-03-06 17:00 to 18:00 UTC) ? - AOB and wrap up UsefulPlaces: - Chat: - http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/dss-x # ... this place - ScreenShare and Voice: - skype (or as fallback upon request join.me) Next Planned meeting (tentative): - Monday March 06, 2017 during 18:00 - 19:00 CET? (2017-03-06 17:00 to 18:00 UTC) ? - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/event.php?event_id=43692 Interesting URLs to cite during meeting - Motion by Ernst Jan (per email): - Public URL = https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00018.html - "Another streamlining approach to the core" started and summarized by Andreas (per email): - Public URL = https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00040.html - Hint from Pim on EU Multistakeholder Platform (MSP) on ICT Standardisation - URL = https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/european-multi-stakeholder-platform-ict-standardisation [13:31] Stefan Hagen: Meeting will start at 18:00 CET ... [18:01] anonymous1 morphed into ernst jan [18:04] anonymous morphed into Ezer [18:04] Ezer: Hi [18:04] Ezer: Is the meeting handled via Skype? [18:05] Stefan Hagen: Yes [18:05] Stefan Hagen: Voting Members: 5 of 6 (83%) (used for quorum calculation) [18:06] Ezer: Hi Stefan [18:07] Ezer: Thanks [18:08] Stefan Hagen: Voting Members: 5 of 6 (83%) (used for quorum calculation) [18:09] Stefan Hagen: Approve agenda [18:09] Stefan Hagen: Approved unchanged as published [18:10] Stefan Hagen: Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) - Minutes from Februray 06, 2017 TC meeting #175: - URL https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/60077/dssx-175-draft-minutes-shagen-20170206.txt [18:10] Stefan Hagen: Minutes approved unchanged as published [18:10] Stefan Hagen: Reports from ETSI ESI STF-524 meetings [18:16] Stefan Hagen: # ----------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+--------------- RollCallResults (as noted on events page): # ----------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+--------------- Company | Name | Role # ----------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+--------------- Departamento de Arquitectura de Computado... | Juan Cruellas | Chair DocuSign, Inc. | Ezer Farhi | Member Individual | Stefan Hagen | Chair Individual | Detlef Huehnlein | Voting Member Individual | Andreas Kuehne | Voting Member Sonnenglanz Consulting | Ernst Jan van Nigtevecht | Voting Member # ----------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+--------------- [18:21] anonymous: JC reports on the meeting of the ETSI Steering group [18:21] anonymous: DH: I took a look to the CSC specification. It seems to me that it is quite complementary to what we have in DSS. [18:21] anonymous: t mainly focuses on remote signature servers providers. There is not too much of overlap [18:22] anonymous: It seems to deal more with authentication [18:22] anonymous: AK: I do not think that authentication and authorization should be part of DSS protocols [18:22] anonymous: I think that this is orthogonal with the currently DSS protocol [18:22] anonymous morphed into Juan Carlos [18:23] Stefan Hagen: @JuanCarlos: Please use the "Settings" menu item to change your name from anonymous to ... [18:23] Stefan Hagen: Thanks [18:23] Juan Carlos: DH: but these things are needed for a service [18:29] Juan Carlos: JC: Future trust is going to be based on DSS? [18:29] Juan Carlos: DH: yes... [18:30] Juan Carlos: DH: it would be good to synchronize with CSC for having only one standard [18:30] Juan Carlos: EF: I am part of the CEN workgroup. [18:31] Juan Carlos: EF: there has been progress on the remote signing server [18:31] Juan Carlos: EF: there are three documents in the process of approval. Two of them are Protection Profiles, and the other is on requirements for systems for remote signing [18:31] Juan Carlos: EF: they should be approved by CEN in the next months [18:32] Juan Carlos: EF: in terms of what DH says about ortogonality, I find it a bit confusing [18:33] Juan Carlos: EF: I am not familiar with CSC protocols, but I see problems in finding out what is the proper protocol to use by implementers [18:34] Stefan Hagen: Acronyms used for participants in minuting: AK, EF, DH, EJvN, JCC, and SH (as mapped from given and family names first letters). [18:34] Juan Carlos: DH: it would be worth to establish contact with CSC and see if we can work with them [18:35] Juan Carlos: DH: As soon as the work with JSON on the core is stable enough, we could provide something to the ETSI STF and to the CSC [18:41] Stefan Hagen: getting kicked out of the telco (Skype) all the time ... coming back in again, and again =( [18:45] Stefan Hagen: - Core and Profile Maintenance [18:45] Juan Carlos: 7. Core and Profile Maintenance 7.1 Local Signature Profile Current status of publication and public review request: URL=https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-2533 [18:46] Juan Carlos: EJ: four members have voted, and consequently I think that we can proceed with the transitoin from WDraft to CSpecification [18:46] ernst jan: Approvals: Andreas Kuehne Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:03:26 +0100, https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00029.html Juan Carlos Cruellas Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:43:48 +0100, https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00024.html Detlef Hhnlein Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:18:24 +0100, https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00030.html Stefan Hagen Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:42:19 -0800 (PST), https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00045.html 20 Feb 2017 04:24:53 -0800 (PST), https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00045.html [18:47] Juan Carlos: EJ: This does not include material changes [18:47] Stefan Hagen: Motion carries [18:48] Stefan Hagen: - Motion by Ernst Jan (per email): - Public URL = https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00018.html [18:48] Juan Carlos: DH: did you have some time to take a look to Chipgateway spec? [18:48] Juan Carlos: DH: what would be the next steps for next generation of local signature profile? [18:49] Juan Carlos: EJ: did not have time to do that...but what we could do is start specifying a new chapter for the specification [18:49] Juan Carlos: EJ: what you mention is a new type of approach [18:49] Juan Carlos: EJ: maybe you could try to create a high level structure of the chapter for specifying the protocol mechanisms? [18:50] Juan Carlos: DH: good. The technical question is already answered...as for the editorial approach, if it is a chapter of the already existing document, this should be docbook? [18:50] Juan Carlos: EJ: indeed I started to make XML documents, and I guess that we should keep this format... I could work with you [18:50] Juan Carlos: DH: any tool or advice would be appreciated [18:51] Juan Carlos: EJ: I can send an email with this information to the group [18:51] Juan Carlos: EH: I can be of help on this [18:51] Stefan Hagen: SH offers transcoding help [18:51] Juan Carlos: 7.2 Profile for Comprehensive Multi-Signature Verification Reports [18:51] Juan Carlos: Nothing new [18:52] Juan Carlos: JC: is there any work in FutureTrust around this verification report? [18:52] Juan Carlos: DH: the plans are to use a version of the updated-core and any updated version of verification report [18:53] Juan Carlos: AK: I have sent messages on some few bugs and some mechanisms [18:53] Juan Carlos: AK: I found some minor issues on the verification report [18:54] Juan Carlos: JC: I would also like to contribute [18:55] Juan Carlos: DH: we should also think whether the entire validation report could be streamlined.... [18:55] Juan Carlos: DH: maybe we should probably discuss other issues that should be integrated that might make it easier to implement [18:57] Juan Carlos: DH: we should take the effort to update the bugs and to provide a working draft where we raise some issues that we could discuss with ETSI and decide how to proceed. [19:00] Juan Carlos: 7.3 Core 7.3.1 Open Action Items from Previous Call(s) 7.3.2 Core Issues in state New or Open (added since last meeting) Ordered by filter("project = DSSX AND created >= -2w ORDER BY created DESC"): URL=https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/DSSX-9?jql=project%20%3D%20DSSX%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%20-2w%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC 7.3.2.1 DSSX-10 - Difference between PDF and XSD with respect to cardinality of ChainingOK within CertificateValidityType URL=https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/DSSX-10 [19:00] Stefan Hagen: - "Another streamlining approach to the core" started and summarized by Andreas (per email): - Public URL = https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dss-x/201702/msg00040.html [19:00] Stefan Hagen: Core: [19:00] Juan Carlos: AK, Pim, DH, and JC exchanged some messages on this [19:00] Juan Carlos: and SH [19:01] Juan Carlos: 8. New Profile Candidates 8.1 PAdES 8.2 Server Site Profile for JEE Code Signing [19:01] Juan Carlos: JC and SH will discuss the comments raised by JC [19:01] Juan Carlos: 9. AOB [19:01] Stefan Hagen: - Hint from Pim on EU Multistakeholder Platform (MSP) on ICT Standardisation - URL = https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/european-multi-stakeholder-platform-ict-standardisation [19:02] Stefan Hagen: My voice line was cut =( again [19:02] Stefan Hagen: Above just for AOB to note and start a discussion of the possibilities [19:03] Stefan Hagen: We need our short list of using implementations [19:06] Stefan Hagen: JCC: Will try to find the list of attendees of the signing in the cloud workshop in barcelona a while ago [19:06] Stefan Hagen: All: agree to find disclosable usage of DSS [19:06] Juan Carlos: 9. Next meetings 9.1 Next Meeting Suggested is Mon, 06 Mar 2017 DSS-X Conference Call 177: URL=https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/event.php?event_id=43692 9.2 Meetings following the Next * Mon, 20 Mar 2017 DSS-X Conference Call 178: URL=https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/event.php?event_id=43693 * Mon, 03 Apr 2017 DSS-X Conference Call 179: URL=https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/event.php?event_id=43694 * Mon, 17 Apr 2017 DSS-X Conference Call 180: URL=https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss-x/event.php?event_id=43695 [19:07] Stefan Hagen: meeting adjourned by chair
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