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Subject: Re: [ebxml-msg] Fw: Old comments (outstanding since 1.09)


+1

PDF is also a little more platform neutral and more
accessible to those of us without MSFT Word.

Cheers,

Chris

Ralph Berwanger wrote:

> Arvola,
> 
>     We have always had that problem, that is why we elected to use the 
> PDF formatted file as the record copy when making comments.  Depending 
> on local page settings, Word will format the document changing which 
> line text occurs on.  I can tell you from previous experience 
> editing these documents that if we do not standardize on the PDF file, 
> we will have continued difficulty.
> 
>  
> 
> Ralph Berwanger
> 
>  
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Arvola Chan [mailto:arvola@tibco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:13 PM
> To: Doug Bunting; ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-msg] Fw: Old comments (outstanding since 1.09)
> 
>     Doug:
> 
>      
> 
>     I have a hard time following your line number references. I looked
>     at the Word document online and also printed out a hard copy. The
>     frustrating thing is that the line numbers I see in the online Word
>     document do not even match those in the printed copy. In many
>     instances, your referenced line numbers match neither the online
>     Word document nor the print out.
> 
>      
> 
>     Does anyone else encounter such line numbering problem? I am using
>     the version obtained from
>     http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-msg/200201/msg00055.html
>     viewed without change bars.
> 
>      
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     -Arvola
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Doug Bunting <dougb62@yahoo.com <mailto:dougb62@yahoo.com>>
>         To: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
>         <mailto:ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>
>         <ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
>         <mailto:ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>>
>         Date: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:07 AM
>         Subject: [ebxml-msg] Fw: Old comments (outstanding since 1.09)
> 
>         The following material includes issues I've raised in the past
>         but have not been discussed on the list or addressed in the
>         specification.  I've edited the list to remove things no longer
>         relevant or already handled.  The line numbers are for the 2.0
>         document in PDF form (or Word form without change markings) and
>         the suggestions start from the current text.
> 
>         The historical messages of interest are "[ebxml-msg] Comments on
>         1.09 first half" [1],"Re: [ebxml-msg] Comments on 1.09 first
>         half" [2] (added point about missing section 4.2.1) and
>         "[ebxml-msg] Comments on 1.09 second half".  (My comments on the
>         1.09 schema were generally applied correctly but for the
>         problems already mentioned in Chris' email.)
> 
>         [1]
>         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-msg/200111/msg00323.html
>         [2]
>         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-msg/200111/msg00346.html
>         [3]
>         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-msg/200111/msg00351.html
> 
>         General:
> 
>             * Unless specifically called out to the contrary, all issues
>               below are editorial.
>             * Anything (maybe, almost anything) at the end of a line in
>               square brackets is added explanatory comments or
>               suggestions to the editor which should not appear in the
>               specification directly.
>             * I found a fair number of incorrect references to sections
>               in the document.  Why doesn't this document use links to
>               correct sections so that edits don't mess them up?
>             * Comments below suggest(ed) adding references to 2.3.6
>               (then 2.2.6) where they were missing in the 1.09
>               document.  The 2.0 document instead contains no references
>               at all to 2.3.6.  Only the schema describes where wildcard
>               element content is allowed.  (The schema does, at my
>               suggestion, allow <any> element content on all top-level
>               SOAP extensions and the Error and Reference elements we
>               define.)  I'd recommend restoring the "#wildcard" lines
>               from 1.09 and adding those mentioned below.
> 
>         thanx,
>             doug
> 
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         New comments noticed while doing this comparison:
> 
>             * The word "then" appears often instead of a comma.  The
>               document might be significantly shorter the other way.
>             * 223 s/normative/non-normative/ [This and following
>               addition are a TECHNICAL change necessary to avoid
>               problems with contradictions between Appendix A and the
>               schema available directly from the web site.]
>             * 224 a
>               The XML Schema document found at
>               http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/schema/msg-header-2_0.xsd
>               is a normative part of this specification and supersedes
>               the "snapshot" found in Appendix A.
>             * 228 Section 1.1 is missing.  Suggest adding "1.1
>               Background" or some such.
>             * 618, 621 Move these lines to the left to line up with
>               other URI values called out in the specification.  I guess
>               it made sense to remove the background highlighting these
>               lines (because it was also used for examples). 
>               Unfortunately, the removal of that attribute messed up the
>               indentation.
>             * 779-781 [TECHNICAL: Remove second sentence.  It's not
>               possible (or worthwhile) to determine whether or not
>               something is a URI except by checking for a colon.]
>             * 877-880 [TECHNICAL: This section on the Timestamp element
>               doesn't require any particular precision for the value. 
>               All examples in this document are accurate only to
>               seconds, likely not enough for reliable ordering of
>               received messages (among other purposes).  Timestamps
>               generally include at least milliseconds and we should be
>               at least that prescriptive.]
>             * 1049,1053,1065,1068-1072 [To be consistent with the
>               typographic changes to sections 2.3.1 and 2.3.2, removing
>               the background from non-example material in section 4.1.3
>               would seem appropriate.  The lines referenced in this
>               issue are the remaining cases of normative material
>               against a grey background.  That background should be
>               removed.]
>             * 1114,1116 s/&quot;/"/g [No reason to use the character
>               entity for quotation marks outside an attribute value. 
>               Just lessens readability of the example.]
>             * 1407 Section 6.1 is missing.  Suggest making 6.1.1 through
>               6.1.5 be 6.1 through 6.5.  Chapter 6 has no lower or later
>               sections.
>             * 1486-1487 s/or by leaving this attribute out.//
>               [TECHNICAL: I suggested adding a default actor option to
>               the AckRequested and Acknowledgment elements.  Later in
>               the discussion, I was convinced by others in the group
>               this wasn't a necessary addition and I withdrew it.  Since
>               the sender doesn't know whether another MSH is authorized
>               to act on behalf of the To Party, toPartyMSH is enough. 
>               The document and schema unfortunately followed my
>               suggestion and not its withdrawal.]
>             * 1529-1530 Remove last sentence in paragraph.  [Reasoning
>               as above.]
>             * 1713 s/Acknowledgment Messages/Acknowledgment Messages
>               sent without payload data/  [TECHNICAL: We agreed that MSH
>               doesn't support Ack on Ack.  However, that should apply
>               only to stand-alone Ack messages.  Quite reasonable to
>               send Ack and AckR together with a business response, maybe
>               an ErrorList (containing warnings) too.  Improvement may
>               require some text changes earlier in the document as well.]
>             * 1923-1924 d [These lines uselessly repeat the namespace
>               and location declarations for our schema.  Worse, the
>               schemaLocation attribute does not have the correct syntax.]
>             * 2093 d [Another Acknowledgment/RefToMessageId instance...]
> 
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Section 1
> 
>             * 193 s/format type/format or type/
> 
>         Section 1.1.1
> 
>             * 208 s/ebXML SOAP/Basic ebXML SOAP/
>             * 211 s/section 4.1.5/section 4.2/
>             * 219 s/section 8/sections 8 and 9/
>             * 221 s/(section 10.12),/(section 11)./ [note replacement of
>               trailing comma with period.]
> 
>         Section 1.1.4
> 
>             * 262 s/and understand/ [Hard to read implications.]
>             * 263 s/its implications/understand its implications/
>             * 263 a [MINOR TECHNICAL: Section needs words covering
>               inconsistencies between specification text and our
>               schema.  I believe we decided the schema "wins" but that
>               isn't reflected here without this added paragraph.]
>               The XML Schema definition for the ebXML SOAP extensions
>               may conflict with the material in the body of this
>               specification.  In all such cases, the schema supersedes
>               the specification.
> 
>         Section 1.2.1
> 
>             * 282 s/security and reliability//
>             * 287 s/the ebMS/this document/
> 
>         Section 1.2.3
> 
>             * 361 s/the ebMS MAY/this document may/
>             * 373 s/The CPA is/In [ebCPP], the CPA is/
>             * 377 s/operations/operation/
> 
>         Section 1.2.4
> 
>             * 423 a
>               Delivery Module -- an abstract service interface an MSH
>               uses to interact with the communication protocol layers
>               when sending and receiving messages.
>             * Figure 2.1 s/Authentication, Authorization and
>               Non-Repudiation services/Security Services
>               (authentication, authorization and non-repudiation)/ [This
>               and other changes attempt to align the document with the
>               preceding list.]
>             * s/Header Processing/Header Processing and Parsing/
>             * s|Encryption and / or Digital Signatures|Security Services
>               (encryption and / or digital signatures)|
>             * s|Send/Receive Transport mapping and binding|(Send/Receive
>               Transport mapping and binding)|
>             * [Add Reliable Messaging box between "Message Packaging"
>               and "Delivery Module" because message is packed once but
>               (optionally) send multiple times).]
> 
>         Section 2.1
> 
>             * 462 s/logical MIME parts/types of MIME parts/
> 
>         Section 2.1.2
> 
>             * 508 s|non-multipart messages, which may occur|receipt of a
>               SOAP message not packaged within a MIME multipart/related
>               container.  This packaging option is defined in the SOAP
>               1.1 [SOAP] specification.  Senders MAY use this packaging|
> 
>         Section 2.2.1
> 
>             * 592 s/: version='1.0'// [Very confusing as it stands.  We
>               don't need to tell people what the XML Recommendation
>               actually requires.]
> 
>         Section 2.3
> 
>             * 609 s/attribute/attributes/
> 
>         Section 2.3.2
> 
>             * 631 a [Text is necessary to avoid this URI appearing only
>               in non-normative examples.]
>               This schema is available at
>               http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/schema/envelope.xsdand
>               SHOULD be referenced in a schemaLocation attribute in the
>               SOAP Envelope element.
> 
>         Section 2.3.6
> 
>             * 699 a [Spills into a TECHNICAL issue: Our intentions
>               should lean towards addition of new SOAP extensions rather
>               than extending the ones we've defined when adding entirely
>               new features.]  [Don't include next paragraph if we decide
>               to re-insert foreign attributes anywhere.]
>               This extension mechanism is an exclusive choice.  None of
>               the elements defined in this specification support foreign
>               namespace-qualified attributes.  The wildcard elements are
>               provided wherever extensions might be required for private
>               extensions or future expansions to the protocol.
>               Note: Extension elements should be included in ebXML SOAP
>               extensions only when they expand the semantics of that
>               particular element.  This mechanism might be used, for
>               example, to extend the eb:Error element by providing
>               additional structured information about a problem.  Wholly
>               new features should be implemented using separate SOAP
>               extensions.
> 
>         Section 2.3.9
> 
>             * 717-722 d [Defines SOAP, which shouldn't be necessary in
>               our specification.]
>             * OR [much prefer previous option but at least following
>               change would define SOAP properly.]
>             * 718 s/REQUIRED SOAP mustUnderstand attribute on SOAP
>               Header extensions/SOAP mustUnderstand attribute/
>             * 722 a [For either choice above.]
>               For all ebXML SOAP Header extensions defined in this
>               specification, the SOAP mustUnderstand attribute is
>               REQUIRED and MUST have the value '1'.  A compliant MSH
>               MUST parse (but not necessarily support features
>               associated with) all elements and attributes defined in
>               this document.
> 
>         Section 2.3.10
> 
>             * 722 a [Defining a new section introducing the soap:actor
>               attribute with the existing 2.3.10 and 2.3.11 becoming
>               2.3.10.1 and 2.3.10.2 (subsections).  This section does
>               not redefine the SOAP actor attribute (unlike lines
>               717-722 I'd recommend we delete).]
>               2.3.10 SOAP actor attribute
>               All ebXML SOAP Header extensions defined in this
>               specification that may be handled by an MSH node other
>               than the ultimate recipient of a message allow inclusion
>               of the SOAP actor attribute.  If present, this attribute
>               SHALL have one of the values defined in the following two
>               subsections or the SOAP-defined value
>               http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/actor/next.
>               [I've been told the actor described in existing section
>               2.3.11 will support an intermediate node acting on behalf
>               of the To Party in returning an Acknowledgment (prior to
>               the ultimate recipient seeing the message).  That's a
>               great use case, handling (for example) trusted store and
>               forward MSH implementations in the destination's DMZ.  If
>               that's the case, we need to be clear this actor value is
>               specifically for use in the AckRequested and
>               Acknowledgment elements.  I don't think it's useful
>               elsewhere.
>               Changing the above last sentence to read "If present in
>               the AckRequested or Acknowledgment elements (see sections
>               7.3.1 and 7.3.2), this attribute SHALL have one of the
>               values defined in the following two subsections." would
>               work since the other use of soap:actor (in eb:SyncReply)
>               is very explicit about allowed values.]
>                
>             * 732 s/when used in the context of the//
>             * 729 a Such an actor MAY ignore SOAP Header extensions
>               targeted to "urn:oasis:names:tc:ebxml-msg:actor:nextMSH"
>               but not the "http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/actor/next"
>               actor (which all SOAP nodes, including an ebXML MSH, MUST
>               adopt).
> 
>         Section 2.3.11
> 
>             * 732 s/when used in the context of the//
>             * [TECHNICAL issue: Current text leaves reader asking "What
>               is the semantic difference between toPartyMSH and the
>               default SOAP actor?  When would a sending MSH specify
>               toPartyMSH rather than leaving the soap:actor attribute
>               out?"  This is not clear in this document and if I need to
>               check the archives for the reasoning we're leaving
>               something important out.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.2
> 
>             * 812-818 [split into 2 paragraphs one sentence later]
>             * 812,813 s/the appropriate handling of the conflict is
>               undefined by this specification/the conflict MUST be
>               reported to the Sending MSH/  [TECHNICAL: This discussion
>               (including following two points as well) did not reflect
>               the decision to REQUIRE an error when a message / CPA
>               consistency problem is detected.]
>             * 815 s/If a receiver chooses to generate an error as a
>               result of a detected inconsistency,/If a Receiving MSH
>               detects an inconsistency,/
>             * 816,817 s/If it chooses to generate an error because the
>               CPAId/If the CPAId/ [This error shouldn't be optional
>               either.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.3
> 
>             * 831 s/schema/scheme/ [Already mentioned (again) in Chris'
>               message.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.4
> 
>             * 838-840 d [This discussion just confuses the issue because
>               of its use of the word "role" without reference to the
>               Role element.  If there is a specific element in the CPA
>               or BPSS documents that could be referenced here, fine. 
>               Otherwise don't mention it.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.4.1
> 
>             * 850-851 [TECHNICAL: Remove second sentence.  It's not
>               possible (or worthwhile) to determine whether or not
>               something is a URI except by checking for a colon.  Note
>               as well: Unlike PartyId@type, we don't RECOMMEND that this
>               attribute be a URI.]
>             * [TECHNICAL issue: How are unrecognised services (those not
>               mentioned in the BPSS referenced from the CPA for example)
>               handled?  Need to define error handling for that case.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.6.1
> 
>             * 872-873 [As Chris has mentioned, the second sentence of
>               this paragraph should be removed.  I mentioned earlier
>               that RFC2822 mentions the local part of email addresses
>               but doesn't distinguish between the left and right sides
>               of a message id except with respect to possible generation
>               rules.  It never mentions "local part" when describing
>               message id values.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.6.3
> 
>             * 885 s/messages,/messages (see section 4.2),/
>             * 886 s/section 4.1.5/section 4.2.1.1/
> 
>         Section 3.1.6.4
> 
>             * [TECHNICAL issue: Should describe clock synchronization
>               between MSH nodes.  Is it required?  Does it not matter
>               because the durations expected are large values?  I would
>               prefer explicit mention of synchronization or clock
>               accuracy as a deployment issue rather than ignoring the
>               issue entirely.  This is the only place in our
>               specification where time values must be compared.]
> 
>         Section 3.1.9
> 
>             * 916,921,924,926 [replace "someType" and similar labels
>               with example values, this is an example]
>             * 926 d [Ignore previous comment about this line if you can
>               perform this deletion.  From the service and action
>               values, this is a new order -- what message is referenced?]
> 
>         Section 3.2.1
> 
>             * 949 a [Was a correction to previous reference to 2.3.6
>               material:
>                     965 s/any namespace-qualified element content
>                     belonging to a foreign namespace// [References to
>               2.3.6 should be consistent in these lists.]]#wildcard (see
>               section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>         Section 3.2.1.1
> 
>             * 969 a [TECHNICAL issue: For schema references, should
>               allow a "namespace" attribute.  The location attribute in
>               that case would be a preferred schemaLocation for the
>               described schema.  This would also require a small
>               addition to the ebXML Messaging schema.]
>               namespace -- If present, identifies the target namespace
>               of the schema document found at the above location.
> 
>         Section 3.2.2
> 
>             * 979-981 [TECHNICAL issue: Error requirements here are
>               overly restrictive.  The problem might be a security
>               failure accessing content elsewhere on the Internet, for
>               example.  Suggest adding something to the effect of "When
>               no other defined error applies...".]
> 
>         Section 4.1
> 
>             * 1009 [move last sentence to end of line 1006 (the previous
>               paragraph)]
> 
>         Section 4.1.2.1
> 
>             * 1035 s/payload./payload(s).  The MSH takes and active part
>               in providing these security measures, as part of its
>               generation of the SOAP message and through the parameters
>               it passes to the underlying communication protocol./
> 
>         Section 4.1.3
> 
>             * 1099 a [Current xsi:schemaLocation doesn't include the
>               namespace identifier for our schema, resulting in illegal
>               syntax.  Probably, the second tuple in this attribute
>               value (after addition below) should be moved to separate
>               xsi:schemaLocation attributes on the soap:Header and
>               soap:Body elements.  Otherwise, we conflict with our own
>               "one namespace per such attribute" recommendations.]
>               http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/schema/msg-header-2_0.xsd
>               <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/schema/envelope.xsd>
> 
>         Section 4.1.4.1
> 
>             * 1146-1150 [Move before line 1143, making this the first
>               paragraph and allows it to introduce use of XML Signature.]
> 
>         Section 4.1.4.2
> 
>             * 1154-1157 [TECHNICAL issue: This text disallows a
>               receiving MSH returning a message saying "party B
>               definitely received the message with id XYZ".  Since that
>               party likely has the message stored with party A's
>               signatures, having to say "party B received the message
>               with id XYZ and these contents" seems a burden only some
>               relationships will require.  It also stretches the
>               previous definition of a signed message to mean just the
>               inclusion of a Signature element in the soap:Header. 
>               Inclusion of ds:Reference elements should be an option
>               even for signed acknowledgments.]
>             * [TECHNICAL issue: Unlike the Manifest element we're
>               defining, the dsig:Signature element is not required to
>               reference every payload in a message.  (Line 1084 says
>               "requiring signing".)  The copying described here is
>               likely insufficient for the "and these contents" claim you
>               want.]
> 
>         Section 4.1.4.3
> 
>             * 1160 s/,//
> 
>         Section 4.1.4.4
> 
>             * 1166 s/integrity check CRCs of/digests and comparisons of/
> 
>         Section 4.1.4.5
> 
>             * 1169 s/document(s)/document/
>             * 1068-1078 [TECHNICAL issue: It's not clear how XML
>               Encryption will address this problem except for payloads
>               expressed as XML documents.]
> 
>         Section 4.2
> 
>             * 1251,1254 s/Faults/Fault messages/ [should not pluralize
>               the name of an element even if only part is bold]
>             * 1257  [The section 4.2.1 is missing -- we skip from 4.2
>               Error Handling Module to 4.2.1.1 Definitions.  We should
>               at least have an intermediate heading or (probably easier)
>               make 4.2.1.1 be 4.2.1.]
> 
>         Section 4.2.3
> 
>             * 1279 [TECHNICAL issue: I had a suggestion in this section
>               to add an actor attribute to the ErrorList element.  Even
>               though intermediates may never hear about errors and DFN
>               messages may take other routes back to the originator, the
>               problem is likely reduced by the lack of duplicate
>               elimination at intermediaries.  I'd support adding this
>               attribute in support of store-and-forward intermediaries
>               performing retries to later destinations if someone
>               proposes it again.  I'm simply removing my
>               suggestion because it didn't get any notice last time and
>               might induce feature creep.]
>             * 1281 a
>               #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
>             * 1282 s/reported then/reported,/
> 
>         Section 4.2.3.1
> 
>             * 1284 s/of any of the Error elements/of the grouped Error
>               elements/
>             * 1285 s/, otherwise/; otherwise,/
> 
>         Section 4.2.3.2
> 
>             * 1294 a
>               #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
>             * 1295 s/The content of the Description element MAY contain
>               error message text.// [TECHNICAL: As Chris mentioned, the
>               Description element MUST have content if present.]
> 
>         Section 4.2.3.2.2
> 
>             * 1301 s/errorCodes/errorCode attribute values/ [Should not
>               pluralize our element names.]
>             * s/then//
>             * 1303 s/errorCodes/errorCode value(s)/
>             * 1302-1304 [TECHNICAL issue: Our list of codes is
>               comprehensive due to its inclusion of OtherXML and
>               Unknown.  How can "legal" additions to the list of error
>               codes be created without violating these restrictions?]
> 
>         Section 4.2.3.2.4
> 
>             * 1311 s/problem./problem.  (Other Error elements in the
>               list may describe problems preventing further processing.)/
>             * 1312 s/there is/there was/
> 
>         Section 4.2.3.2.5
> 
>             * 1315 a The value of this attribute MUST be a URL. 
>               [TECHNICAL issue: Need some text requiring the value of
>               this attribute be a URL.  Otherwise the later discussion
>               doesn't make that much sense.]
>             * 1319-1320 s/in the format cid:23912480wsr, where the text
>               after the ":" is the value of the MIME part's
>               content-id/using URI scheme "cid"/ [Don't redefine
>               something well-described in another specification.]
>             * 1318-1320 [A previous TECHNICAL issue about these lines
>               has been partially resolved through limiting section 2.1.6
>               to REQUIRING a SOAP Fault only in the outermost Message
>               Package.  Nonetheless, the ebXML handler is unlikely to be
>               invoked when the payload containers or other MIME
>               packaging is incorrect.]
> 
>         Section 4.2.4.1
> 
>             * 1352 a With the possible exception of retries to the
>               message in error, additional messages in the conversation
>               MUST NOT be sent after receiving any message containing
>               such an ErrorList.
> 
>         Section 4.2.4.1.1
> 
>             * 1359 s/header SHOULD/header and no ErrorList with
>               highestSeverity set to Error SHOULD/
>             * 1360 [TECHNICAL issue: What does "ignore" mean in the
>               context of HTTP with SyncReply true?]
> 
>         Section 4.2.4.2
> 
>             * 1369-1370 [TECHNICAL issue: Unparsable messages will be
>               caught by the SOAP processor underlying most "layered" MSH
>               implementations.  It's not possible for us to specify the
>               action of that SOAP processor.]
> 
>         Section 4.2.4.3
> 
>             * 1375 s/not being sent as a result of processing of an
>               earlier message/being sent on its own, with no payload data/
>             * 1376 s/if the highestSeverity is set to Error,//
>             * [TECHNICAL: Actually, this section still makes little
>               sense.  I believe an attempt was made to describe the
>               Service and Action when ErrorList is sent on its own. 
>               That may occur regardless of the highestSeverity and the
>               problem is mostly addressed through the two changes
>               above.  In addition, "processing" is used in the first
>               paragraph without context and we still need to remind
>               users that ErrorList with highestSeverity="Error" can't be
>               combined with payload data.  Something at the end of the
>               first paragraph like "This method MUST NOT be used if the
>               highestSeverity is "Error".  No further processing of the
>               message in error could have occurred in that case." may help.]
> 
>         Section 5
> 
>             * [Entire section would be better placed as section 4.3.]
> 
>         Section 5.1
> 
>             * 1398 s/has the following attributes/consists of/
>             * 1395 a
> 
>             #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>             * 1406-1408 [TECHNICAL issue: This seems backwards. 
>               SyncReply s/b allowed if syncReplyMode is none (for the
>               Acknowledgment message to come back synchronously); if
>               syncReplyMode is not none and it's a synchronous
>               communication protocol in use, SyncReply MUST be present. 
>               Further, intermediaries may have no idea about the CPA in
>               use and could easily violate these overly strict
>               restrictions (e.g. an intermediary just prior to the To
>               Party requesting a synchronous hop-to-hop Acknowledgment).]
>             * [TECHNICAL issue: During the discussion of this addition
>               we agreed to add words about SOAP processors w/o full MSH
>               understanding and their need to forward a like extension. 
>               Those words are missing.  Note: Intermediate MSH nodes MAY
>               forward using a different protocol than the incoming
>               message and are therefore NOT REQUIRED to insert a copy of
>               this element in all cases.]
>             * [TECHNICAL issue: Should say the SyncReply element is not
>               allowed in a synchronous response message.]
> 
>         Section 6
> 
>             * 1406 [TECHNICAL: Need lines for the interaction of
>               SyncReply with other elements.  Probably a new section
>               saying "The SyncReply element MAY be present on any
>               outbound message sent using a synchronous communication
>               protocol." is needed.]
> 
>         Section 6.1.4
> 
>             * 1416-1417 s/except the StatusRequest element.// [Introduce
>               in section 8.2.3]
>             * 1420 [Why is this bullet all alone?  Should be part of
>               previous paragraph after recommended deletions.]
> 
>         Section 7
> 
>             * 1426 a
> 
>             For the purposes of this document, "Reliable Messaging" is
>             defined to mean sending a message that both parties will
>             know was received by the To Party's application intact once
>             and only once, detect a permanent failure situation or retry
>             until giving up.
> 
>             Note: Failure remains an option even when making full use of
>             ebXML Reliable Messaging.  In addition, this addresses
>             duplication only when caused by errant MSH implementations
>             or communication protocols: Applications may send distinct
>             messages containing the same payload and receiving
>             applications may need to handle these duplicates.
> 
>             * 1429 s/flexible/flexible with respect to intermediaries/
>             * 1429 a
> 
>             The protocol is also flexible with respect to the features
>             implemented by communications protocols, ebXML MSH software
>             and applications.  Options are available controlling MSH
>             implementation of well-defined segments of the overall
>             reliability requirements.  Most of the following discussion
>             assumes all ebXML reliable messaging options are enabled.
> 
>             Note: This assumption in the text should not prevent use of
>             reliable communication protocols, idempotent application
>             semantics, et cetera instead.  ebXML Reliable Messaging
>             semantics should be considered whenever such alternatives
>             are not available or the MSH implementation is more efficient.
> 
>             * 1435 s/once/once (due to retries or the nature of the
>               communications protocol in use)/
>             * 1436 a Retries initiated by a Sending MSH and duplicates
>               introduced by an unreliable communication protocol MUST be
>               handled by the Receiving MSH or higher application layers
>               at the To Party.
> 
>         Section 7.1
> 
>             * 1443 s/SHOULD/MUST/
>             * 1455 a [TECHNICAL: All of the following information is
>               presently missing which is internally inconsistent.]
> 
>             In order to associate an Acknowledgment element with the
>             corresponding application state and to send retries, a
>             Sending MSH SHOULD save the following in persistent storage:
> 
>                   * MessageId of the sent message
>                   * Timestamp, RetryInterval and remaining Retries
>                     (elements and parameters to the MSH), providing
>                     support for a queue of messages awaiting retry or
>                     application failure notification
>                   * Entire SOAP message for use in later retries
>                   * links to application state for any required
>                     notifications
> 
>             The possible notifications from a Sending MSH to the From
>             Party application are:
> 
>                   * Successful delivery (Sending MSH has received an
>                     Acknowledgment element in a message not containing
>                     an ErrorList)
>                   * Acknowledged delivery with errors (Sending MSH has
>                     received a message containing both Acknowledgment
>                     and ErrorList elements; processing MAY have
>                     continued at the To Party in this case)
>                   * Timeout (TimeToLive expired or Retries have been
>                     exhausted)
> 
>         Section 7.3.1
> 
>             * 1473 a
> 
>             #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>         Section 7.3.1.2
> 
>             * 1500-1502 [TECHNICAL issue: I previously suggested this
>               case should result in an Error because it was inconsistent
>               with the other Inconsistent errors, resulting in just a
>               Warning.  Now, the text requires Inconsistent/Warning
>               where NotSupported/Error would be appropriate.  It's
>               gotten worse and should be Inconsistent/Error or the
>               combination of that with a NotSupported/Error option.]
> 
>         Section 7.3.2
> 
>             * 1515-1517 s/The RefToMessageId element in an
>               Acknowledgment element is used to identify the message
>               being acknowledged by its MessageId.// [TECHNICAL: This
>               isn't sensible and is a massive change from 1.0.  Why
>               would an Acknowledgment message be bundled into another
>               message that isn't in response to the message in question?]
>             * 1524 d [Again, this isn't reasonable.]
>             * 1526 a
> 
>             #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>         Section 7.3.2.3
> 
>             * 1535-1537 d
> 
>         Section 7.3.2.4
> 
>             * 1541 a This form SHOULD be used for hop-to-hop
>               Acknowledgment messages from intermediate nodes,
>               especially when the message also contains data from later
>               nodes.
>             * 1543 a This form SHOULD be used for all end-to-end
>               Acknowledgment messages.
> 
>         Section 7.3.2.5
> 
>             * 1554 s/derived/derived (as described in section 4.1.4.2)/
>               [Note: This section contains more references than it did
>               before.  It still doesn't refer to 4.1.4.2 but should. 
>               Some of the recent reference additions may be worth
>               removing.]
>             * 1557 s/element/list/ [TECHNICAL: Again, I disagree with
>               this requirement because it disallows the To Party MSH
>               acknowledging receipt of a message and signing the
>               acknowledgment without also describing the contents.  The
>               message already has the RefToMessageId element and any
>               disagreements about the contents of that message would be
>               covered through the signing the original party did.  I
>               would prefer to strike this sentence and much of the
>               surrounding discussion.  It's a bit worse now that the
>               text attempts to define "signed Acknowledgment Message"
>               two ways simultaneously (signed Ack either means "it
>               contains both Ack and Signature" or "contains both Ack
>               with Reference list and Signature").]
> 
>         Section 7.3.2.6
> 
>             * 1570 d
> 
>         Section 7.3.2.7
> 
>             * 1577 a [TECHNICAL: I could go either way here (prefer
>               either Action) but we haven't made a choice yet.]
> 
>             When an Acknowledgment message and Error message are
>             combined without additional payloads (regardless of the
>             highestSeverity attribute of the included ErrorList
>             element), the service and action described in 4.2.4.3 MUST
>             be used.
> 
>         Section 7.3.2.8
> 
>             * 1580 [Note TECHNICAL issue already raised about this last
>               sentence.  The inability to send a reliable Error (even
>               when a Warning and combined with payload data) in the
>               current text should be resolved by killing this sentence. 
>               This issue was resolved during the last face-to-face and
>               Chris most recently mentioned it.]
> 
>         Section 7.4.1
> 
>             * 1568-1584 [This section repeats some of 3.1.7 and adds new
>               information.  The new information belongs better in
>               3.1.7.  All that should be left here is information about
>               the relation between the CPA flag and the
>               DuplicateElimination element.  At the moment, the
>               semantics of the DuplicateElimination element are
>               described again -- without reference to section 3.1.7.]
>             * 1503 s/duplicate messages to be ignored/the To Party
>               application never to see duplicate messages/
> 
>         Section 7.4.2
> 
>             * 1601-1603 d [This section attempts to re-define an element
>               already described in section 7.3.1 and adds no new
>               information.  Just nuke the section.  At most, mention
>               that some configuration information must be available to
>               the From Party MSH to determine whether or not an
>               acknowledgment may be requested and whether or not
>               it could be signed.]
> 
>         Section 7.4.4
> 
>             * 1613 s/between retries/between later retries/
> 
>         Section 7.4.6
> 
>             * 1621-1622 s/The timestamp for a reliably sent message
>               (found in the message header), plus its PersistDuration
>               (found in the CPA), must be greater than its TimeToLive
>               (found in the message header)./For a reliably delivered
>               message, TimeToLive MUST conform to:
> 
>                 TimeToLive < TimeStamp + PersistDuration
> 
>             where TimeStamp comes from MessageData and PersistDuration
>             is found in the CPA./ [The equation should describe
>             something under MSH control when sending a message.  Similar
>             syntax to 7.4.5 makes it easier to read.]
> 
>         Section 7.4.7
> 
>             * 1630-1631 s/If the value of syncReplyMode is none and a
>               SyncReply element is present,/If the value of
>               syncReplyMode is not none, the communications protocol is
>               synchronous and a SyncReply element is not present in a
>               message,/ [This sentence should be joined with the
>               previous paragraph.]
>             * [TECHNICAL: The current wording disallows sending MSH
>               signals synchronously.  Above change allows SyncReply even
>               when syncReplyMode is none (synchronous signals) but
>               doesn't address problems raised earlier around
>               heterogeneous routes to the destination and intermediaries
>               not being party to the CPA.]
> 
>         Section 7.5.1
> 
>             * 1655 a
> 
>             6. Notify application of delivery success or failure (if
>             requested).
> 
>         Section 7.5.2
> 
>             * 1665-1666 s/generate an Acknowledgment Message (see
>               section 7.5.3).  Follow/follow/
>             * 1673-1676 [Move everything from this paragraph except the
>               first sentence into 7.5.3, assuming that section continues
>               to have some useful content.  This is general information
>               about all Acknowledgment messages generated.  Replace
>               these sentences with ", as described in section 7.5.3".]
> 
>         Section 7.5.3
> 
>             * 1689-1691 d [Because the RefToMessageId element adds no
>               value to an Acknowledgment element, this paragraph means
>               little.  If anything is necessary, section 7.3.2 should
>               (somewhere) remind people, as is done for Error messages,
>               that the MessageData/RefToMessageId value must be set
>               appropriately.]
>             * 1692-1703 m [Most of this section attempts to redefine
>               what's already in 7.3.2. and 7.3.2.7 without adding much
>               value and confusing some issues (e.g. some bullets are
>               generally true while others apply only to stand-alone Ack
>               messages).  Copy what's not already in those sections
>               appropriately and make sure that section is now
>               consistent.  This section (7.5.3) should be left with only
>               a reference to 7.3.2 and the "persisted storage"
>               description from 7.5.2.  Maybe, the last 3 bullets could
>               stay here.]
> 
>         Section 7.5.5
> 
>             * 1725-1737 m [This section should come after what's now
>               7.5.6, reverse two sections]
>             * 1726 s/duplicate/duplicate and DuplicateElimination is
>               present/
>             * 1728 s/it/first that/
>             * 1729 s/that matches/matching/
>             * 1730 s/then/,/
>             * 1731 s/MSH that sent the received message/Sending MSH for
>               the duplicate message/
>             * 1732 s/and if/and/
>             * 1733 s/then/,/
>             * s/that//
>             * 1734 s/same//
>             * 1735 s/that was//
>             * 1737 s/Message/Message (as described in section 7.5.3)/
> 
>         Section 7.5.6
> 
>             * 1744 s/the same RefToMessageId as/a RefToMessageId value
>               matching the MessageId of/
>             * 1752-1753 s/sent to the sender Party A)// [Note unbalanced
>               parentheses are also fixed by removing this unnecessary
>               text.]
>             * 1753 a [TECHNICAL: If the recipient ensures a duplicate is
>               identical, we should say what happens if the check fails.]
> 
>             2a) The recipient of a duplicate message MAY confirm the
>             duplicate is indeed identical to the original, allowing for
>             changes introduced by intermediate nodes.  If this is found
>             not to be the case, the receiving MSH SHOULD issue an error
>             with errorCode of Inconsistent and a severity of Error.
> 
>         Section 8
> 
>             * 1777 [Reword to use "A Message Status Response message" as
>               the subject, matching the previous bullet's style.]
> 
>         Section 8.2
> 
>             * 1827 a
> 
>             #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>         Section 8.3
> 
>             * 1849 a
> 
>             #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>         Section 8.3.3
> 
>             * 1864 [TECHNICAL issue: We had some reason for handling
>               this requester error in the response element rather than
>               using an ErrorList.  Did this have something to do with
>               the possibility of sending multiple StatusRequest elements
>               in the same message?  Either way, we need text describing
>               why this isn't handled using an Error message.]
>             * 1867-1872 [TECHNICAL issue: This expands the list of
>               possible values from those in MSH 1.0 without
>               explanation.  Hadn't we agreed the additional status
>               values (Processed and Forwarded) are likely to be
>               information the MSH doesn't know and shouldn't tell an
>               outside party?]
> 
>         Section 9.1
> 
>             * 1910 s|Boundary"|Boundary"; type="text/xml";
>               start="gobblelygook"|
>             * 1913 a
> 
>             Content-Id: <gobbledygook>
> 
>             * 1921 [Correct the xsi:schemaLocation for the ebXML MSH
>               namespace to use proper syntax: Repeat the string
>               (identically).]
> 
>         Section 9.2
> 
>             * 1967 [Correct the xsi:schemaLocation for the ebXML MSH
>               namespace to use proper syntax: Repeat the string
>               (identically).]
> 
>         Section 10
> 
>             * 1993-1994 [Remove second sentence.  Information is better
>               expressed in the next paragraph.]
> 
>         Section 10.1
> 
>             * 2006 a
> 
>             #wildcard (see section 2.3.6 for details)
> 
>         Section 10.1.1
> 
>             * 2010 s/SequenceNumber/REQUIRED SequenceNumber/  [TECHNICAL
>               issue: I made a mistake in this suggestion.  The
>               SequenceNumber element is required inside an optional
>               element and therefore is not REQUIRED of all
>               implementations.  Remove word again (sorry).]
> 
>         Appendix B.2.2
> 
>             * 2485 a [Current xsi:schemaLocation doesn't include the
>               namespace identifier for our schema, resulting in illegal
>               syntax.  Probably, the second tuple in this attribute
>               value (after addition below) should be moved to separate
>               xsi:schemaLocation attributes on the soap:Header and
>               soap:Body elements.  Otherwise, we conflict with our own
>               "one namespace per such attribute" recommendations.]
>               http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/schema/msg-header-2_0.xsd
> 
>         Appendix B.2.4
> 
>             * [I won't repeat all of the technical discussions of
>               problems in this section.  My memory dims this late in the
>               game but I seem to recall issues with requiring SOAP Fault
>               separately (since the SOAP processor isn't something we're
>               defining) and problems using the Fault element
>               asynchronously in any case (since it provides no context
>               for the error described).]
> 
>         Appendix B.2.5
> 
>             * [I'm not sure this section is as clear as it could be.  It
>               seems David had a different interpretation.  Might need
>               some rewording.]
>             * 2555 s/Post/Post if the message is processed by an ebXML
>               MSH handler/
> 
>         Appendix B.3.2
> 
>             * 2622-1624 d [This header is defined only for HTTP
>               communication.]
>             * 2638 d [as above]
>             * 2656 [Correct the xsi:schemaLocation for the ebXML MSH
>               namespace to use proper syntax: Repeat the string
>               (identically).]
>             * 2676 [Correct the xsi:schemaLocation for the ebXML MSH
>               namespace to use proper syntax: Repeat the string
>               (identically).]
> 
>         References
> 
>             * [Entire section and all references in the text should
>               consistently use [RFC1234] for references to these
>               documents.  XMLMEDIA, IPSEC,PGP/MIME,S/MIME* and TLS all
>               violate this consistency.]
>             * [Sort the RFC entries by their number.]
>             * [Entire section should use a consistent format for the
>               references, order and contain similar information.  For
>               example, references to RFC documents should all include
>               the title of the RFC and (probably, I don't remember the
>               IETF standards) IETF RFC1234.]
>             * [For documents available online (such as all ebXML
>               documents but likely excluding the RFC's, letting people
>               head to their favourite RFC source), please include URL
>               values.]
>             * [All references to W3C documents should consistently
>               include the date in their URL values.]
>             * 2787-2788 [This should refer to the section of the Unicode
>               Standard that defines UTF-8.  This is an incomplete
>               definition for the term UTF-8.]
> 
>          
> 




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