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Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] ODF and UOF
robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: [...] >>> But I think we're heading on the right path here. For example, Peter >>> Junge has contributed a proposal to the ODF TC regarding diagonal >>> table >>> headers, a key requirement for Chinese documents. >> Right. Would this be difficult to implement in an application >> supporting ODF? Ie, to generate the right content? And would this then >> also affect output and thus compatibility with, for instance, MSFT >> Office 2003 and beyond? In short, if we are looking for a solution to >> compatibility not only with UOF but more generally with ideographic >> scripts, then what's the simplest path, and would it be in addition to >> adding elements (but not monstrous ones) to ODF? >> > > That is a discussion we need to have. Diagonal table headers also have > some accessibility ramifications, since the navigation/tabbing order needs > to be defined. I still have to find time to resume work on it. I want the feature to be as equal as possible to normal table cells, so we can mostly reuse existing functionality, especially regarding data model and accessibility. > > In general, if we have this as an ODF-Next theme, then I'd probably > recommend creating a subcommittee (in the ODF TC) to analyze the existing > standard and recommend a list of enhancements in this area, similar to > what we did with accessibility. This is really considerable. [...] Best regards, Peter >>> Louis.Suarez-Potts@Sun.COM wrote on 07/07/2009 10:44:53 AM: >>> >>>> I was just in China and discussed ODF and UOF harmonization as well >>>> as >>>> improved support for and implementation of UOF by OOo. At present, >>>> OOo >>>> supports it and since 3.x can save in UOF but evidently only >>>> imperfectly. The idea would be to improve this, in particular for >>>> ideographical scripts. >>>> UOF, of course, is the government-mandated format for its documents. >>>> >>>> So, this raises the set of questions below: >>>> >>>> * Status of UOF as a specification? >>>> >>>> From conversations with the RedOffice team and with Peter in >>>> particular, UOF seems to be charging ahead and reaching 2.0. However, >>>> there seems to be little movement to relocate it to Oasis or to drive >>>> it to ISO standardization. Neither would directly enhance >>>> interoperability with ODF but either would likely raise the >>>> consciousness of the format among stakeholders. >>>> >>>> * Status of ODF UOF harmonization? >>>> >>>> And, how desirable is this? At our meetings, we discussed the >>>> possibility of effectively merging the specifications, so that the >>>> elements missing in ODF but present in UOF and vice versa would be >>>> completed. Problem is, the basic layout of the page differs from >>>> format to format, so a simple cut and paste effort is not likely. My >>>> guess is that a native-code (C++) conversion might be required for >>>> this. >>>> >>>> This effort might also have some other consequences, as it seems as >>>> if >>>> UOF is closer in its formatting logic to OOXML than ODF is. Thus, >>>> compatibility with OOXML might be--I have not checked this--improved >>>> by this work, providing it's reasonable. >>>> >>>> * Logistics of any related work? >>>> >>>> That is, do we (stakeholders) have a good sense of how much work >>>> would be required to produce results that satisfy demanding >>>> enterprise >>>> users of UOF so that they are happy (or reasonable facsimile thereof) >>>> when they use OOo or its derivatives? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> louis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.robweir.com/blog/labels/UOF.html >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/ >>>> my_workgroups.php >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > -- Peter Junge Open Source Strategy Director Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd. Building No.2, Block A, Huilongsen, 18 Xihuan Nanlu Beijing Economic-Technological Development Area 100176 Beijing - P.R.China 北京红旗中文贰仟软件技术有限公司 地址:北京经济技术开发区(亦庄)西环南路18号汇龙森A座二层 邮编:100176 电话/Tel: +86-10-51570010 ext.6183 邮箱/e-mail: peterjunge@RedOffice.com http://www.RedOffice.com
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