Notes from 4 December 2023 - ODF TC Teleconference

[Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com>]

[17:55] Svante: Greetings!

The agenda for our TC call on Monday, 2023-12-04

1.Dial-In, Roll Call, Determination of Quorum and Voting Rights

2.Motion (simple majority): Approve the Agenda

3.Motion (simple majority): Approve minutes of 27 November 2023 - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202311/msg00047.html

4.Editor's work review: Update on ODF 1.4 editing progress sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J4TDjF7T62oN9Afhz1OTA6ePOFcCGlgjBF9L2xdF47o

5.OASIS Best Current Practices (OBCP) - draft
https://github.com/oasis-board-process-committee/OBCPs/issues/31

6.Jira Issue Status "DEFERRED"
Suggestion: Do we have agreement that this state's meaning is equal to: not to be worked on unless someone requests it explicitly again.

7.OFFICE-3901: Non-normative text to illustrate the use of RDF to include DC metadata
Suggestion: Set state to "DEFERRED" until someone works on it actively.

8.OFFICE-2576: Public Comment: On RDF in ODF
Suggestion: Set state to "DEFERRED" until someone works on it actively.

9.OFFICE-3780: 18.3.18 length and 19.573 svg:width - percentage and negative length

10.OFFICE-1439: "Public Comment: Automatic styles (ODF all versions)"

11.OFFICE-2156: [xml-names] ODF 1.2 profile

12.TC members picked additional issues

13. Adjournment
Next call: 11 December (same time)


[18:02] Svante: 1. We have quorum

[18:03] Svante: 2. New Agenda approved - with new item 5

[18:03] Svante: 3. Motion (simple majority): Approve minutes of 27 November 2023 - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202311/msg00047.html
[18:03] Svante: Minutes approved


[18:03] Svante: 4. Editor's work review: Update on ODF 1.4 editing progress sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J4TDjF7T62oN9Afhz1OTA6ePOFcCGlgjBF9L2xdF47o

[18:04] Svante: no update of Francis
[18:04] Svante: but Francis made a version of last Tuesday
[18:04] Svante: Patrick gave an update: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202312/msg00001.html
[18:06] Svante: Patrick: Worked on scripts to improve the consistency of the spec styles.


[18:06] Svante: 5. OASIS Best Current Practices (OBCP) - draft
https://github.com/oasis-board-process-committee/OBCPs/issues/31

[18:10] Svante: Francis gave some comments - but not to the TC list
[18:10] Svante: but to ODF TC editors
[18:11] Svante: Francis: The draft is only about new work and not the revisioning and errata of existing specifications
[18:16] Svante: Regina: We are working in GitHub and this should be mentioned!
[18:17] Svante: Francis will draft a response to the TC list


[18:21] Svante: 6.Jira Issue Status "DEFERRED"
I was not able to find this state in the Cloud online documentation:
https://support.atlassian.com/jira-cloud-administration/docs/what-are-issue-statuses-priorities-and-resolutions/
nor otherwise
https://confluence.atlassian.com/jira064/what-is-workflow-720416127.html
But I found it as part of a OASIS TC Workflow:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/plugins/servlet/project-config/OFFICE/workflow/?name=TC%20Issues
We might want to ask the OASIS team for a link with additional information.
Suggestion:
Do we have agreement that this state's meaning is equal to: not to be worked on unless someone requests it explicitly again.
[18:23] Svante: We all agree on the above definition


[18:23] Svante: 7.OFFICE-3901: Non-normative text to illustrate the use of RDF to include DC metadata
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3901
Suggestion: Set state to "DEFERRED" until someone works on it actively.
[18:24] Svante: No one objects.


[18:24] Svante: 8.OFFICE-2576: Public Comment: On RDF in ODF
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/201002/msg00037.html
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-2576
Suggestion: Set state to "DEFERRED" until someone works on it actively.
[18:24] Svante: No one objects.


[18:25] Svante: 9.Working down the query "project = OFFICE AND fixVersion = ODF-Next AND proposal is not EMPTY AND type = Bug" - 19 bugs in total:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%20ODF-Next%20AND%20proposal%20is%20not%20EMPTY%20AND%20%20type%20%3D%20Bug
We might want to add NOT closed and NOT DEFFERRED
OFFICE-3780: 18.3.18 length and 19.573 svg:width - percentage and negative length
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3780

[18:26] Svante: Regina: States SVG and CSS standards quote negative value as an error
[18:27] Svante: Regina suggests replacing "length" with "non-negative length" for width and height.
[18:27] Svante: Regina suggests replacing "length" with "non-negative length" for width and height.
[18:28] Svante: Regina: Percentage is possible in CSS, but we have in ODF "rel-width"/"rel-height" we are working on atm
[18:29] Svante: Regina suggests to split off a new issue for negative with and height
[18:32] Svante: We all agree that Regina will write a new issue and the existing issues (e.g. ODF "rel-width"/"rel-height") will refer to it!


[18:32] Svante: 10.OFFICE-1439: "Public Comment: Automatic styles (ODF all versions)"
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-1439
https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part3-schema/OpenDocument-v1.4-part3-schema.html#element-office_automatic-styles

[18:33] Svante: Regina: Jos is no longer active. There are no problems for ODF applications using automatic styles.
[18:34] Svante: Regina: But we can follow Jos' suggestion to remove the display name from the automatic style!
[18:34] Svante: Regina: No real action required - suggests to defer it!
[18:35] Svante: Michael: Likes to add it to the text
[18:35] Svante: Regina: But adding it to the schema is quite complex and makes is unnecessarily complicated
[18:36] Svante: Regina: Next Step someone writes it into the proposal
[18:37] Svante: Michael volunteers but not this week
[18:38] Svante: We will reexamine Michael's proposal and will decide than over the target (discuss this issue again)


[18:38] Svante: 11. OFFICE-2156: [xml-names] ODF 1.2 profile
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-2156

[18:39] Svante: Regina: Issue about the XML reference is already fixed in ODF 1.3
[18:40] Svante: Regina: All the other things are things which should be deferred
[18:40] Svante: Regina: All the other things are things which should be deferred
[18:41] Svante: We all agree that status DEFERRED (all DEFERRED should be ODF-LATER)


[18:42] Svante: 12. TC members are invited to pick an additional issue from our current working list
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%20ODF-Next%20AND%20proposal%20is%20not%20EMPTY%20AND%20%20type%20%3D%20Bug
and present it to the group!
Perhaps we could assign one issue to each TC member to prepare for till next call?
Other process suggestions are welcome!

[18:46] Svante: I will give Regina, Alfred and me an issue to prepare for the next meeting.
[18:47] Svante: Regina: 14th of December the OASIS Tooling is being renewed
[18:48] Svante: Francis: Will look in the Editorial issues in Github to see if we can have something after next meeting


[18:49] Svante: 13. Meeting adjourned - next call: 11 December (same time)