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Subject: [sca-bindings] SCA Bindings TC - raw chat log for 2010-02-11
Raw chat below. Laurent Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China = Beijing 01052237296 Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 France TollFree = 0800944795 Germany = Berlin 030726167296 Dusseldorf 021154073845 Frankfurt 069710445413 Hamburg 040809020620 Munich 089244432767 Stuttgart 0711490813212 Germany TollFree = 08006646304 India = Mumbai 02261501417 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007 Rome 06452108288 Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 Russia = Moscow 84999222481 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 UK = Birmingham 01212604587 London 02071542988 Manchester 01612500379 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 USA = 19543344789 USA & Canada Toll Free = 18665289390 Simon Holdsworth: Agenda Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Bryan Aupperle IBM Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 4th February: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36309/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-02-04.doc 3. Actions 20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include 1.1 20091015-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Raise new issues found during TA creation for obvious bugs in WS binding spec 20091015-3 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #1 - review and determine appropriate update to copyright dates (all specs) 20091015-4 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #2 - clarify the text describing the JCA binding (JCA only) 20091015-5 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #3 - revise text to reword or remove as appropriate (JCA only) 20091015-6 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #5 - caption all examples, figures, snippets, etc., scrub text of use of former, latter, above, below, following. Replace with precise references (all specs) 20091015-7 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #6 - clean up the text with regards to this item (JCA only) 20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant still, or needs to be populated (all specs) 20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (all specs) 20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (all specs) 20091015-11 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #11 - do something to clarify the different uses for the @uri attribute (JCA only) 20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs) 20100204-1 [Ashok Malhotra] Follow up with Jeff Mischkinsky on status of Oracles IETF JMS URL approval. 20100204-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce a revision of the JMS binding spec including all the changes related to the discussion on issues BINDINGS-95, 96 and 106 4. New Issues http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-112 BWS20004 wording is incorrect (Includes simple proposed resolution) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-113 What does BWS20006 mean? (needs more discussion) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-114 BWS20010 wording is incorrect (Includes simple proposed resolution) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-115 BWS20014 wording is incorrect (Includes simple proposed resolution) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-116 BWS20027 wording needs tweaks (Includes simple proposed resolution) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-117 BWS20029 wording needs tweaks (Includes simple proposed resolution) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118 BWS40005 is ambiguous http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-119 BWS40006's final clause is unnecessary (Includes simple proposed resolution) 5. Test Assertions/Test cases Current status: Overall: Awaiting current set of issues to be resolved and applied, at which point editors will need to update TA docs and then we can review them with the aim of getting to CD. Web Service binding TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34571/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.odt http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34572/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf Status: Draft completed; needs review JMS TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36157/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36158/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf Status: Latest draft needs review. JCA TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36155/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36156/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html Status: reviewed and issues raised. 6. Open issue discussion Public review comment issues: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87 Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services working groups Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition) Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html Other open issues: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-95 BJM30032 and BJM30035 conflict Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in PDF attachment to email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-105 BJM30025 has no normative keyword Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in PDF attachment to email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-106 BJM30027 has no normative keyword Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in PDF attachment to email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-101 Opaque references - need for a terminology list? Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-102 Need to specify all valid enumerations for @create attribute and others Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00033.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 (deferred) Status: outline proposal in issue 7. AOB Laurent Domenech: Minutes for the last meeting approved Laurent Domenech: 20091015-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Raise new issues found during TA creation for obvious bugs in WS binding spec Laurent Domenech: [Anish] this is complete Laurent Domenech: 20100204-1 [Ashok Malhotra] Follow up with Jeff Mischkinsky on status of Oracles IETF JMS URL approval. Laurent Domenech: No resolution yet, action item is complete, there is an issue open to track it Laurent Domenech: 20100204-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce a revision of the JMS binding spec including all the changes related to the discussion on issues BINDINGS-95, 96 and 106 Laurent Domenech: Action completed Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-112 Laurent Domenech: [Anish] focus on sentence with normative keywords on them Laurent Domenech: No discussion on the issue Laurent Domenech: Anish move to open BINDINGS-112 Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: No objections, issue is opened Eric Johnson: Dave B.'s email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00037.html Laurent Domenech: [Anish] Move to resolve BINDINGS-112, with detail in Jira with Dave addition Laurent Domenech: Dave B. seconds Laurent Domenech: No other discussion, no objection, motion is passed, BINDINGS-112 is resolved Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-113 Laurent Domenech: Anish's email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00013.html Eric Johnson: Again, Dave B.'s email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00038.html Laurent Domenech: [Simon] I agree that wording is not clear, but I don't agree on the resolution Laurent Domenech: [Eric] I disagree with the issue, because it includes an answer, and I disagree with the proposed resolution Laurent Domenech: [Dave] I agree with Simon and Eric Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-113, Dave B. seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, the motion is passed, issue BINDINGS-113 is open Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-114 Laurent Domenech: [Anish] it is similar to BINDINGS-112 Laurent Domenech: Anish's email:http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00014.html Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-114, Eric seconds Laurent Domenech: No objection, motion is passed, BINDINGS-114 is open Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-114 Laurent Domenech: Dave B. seconds Laurent Domenech: No objections, motion is passed, BINDINGS-114 is resolved Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-115 Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-115, Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, the motion is passed, issue BINDINGS-115 is opened Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-115 Laurent Domenech: Eric seconds Laurent Domenech: There is a typo in the proposal, it should says Change BWS20014 Laurent Domenech: Dave amends that the resolution should say "Change BWS20014" Laurent Domenech: Anish seconds the amendment Laurent Domenech: no objections, the motion to adment passes Laurent Domenech: No objections, amended motions passes, BINDINGS-115 is resolved Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-116 Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-116, Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-116 is opened Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-116 with proposal in Jira Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-116 is resolved Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-117 Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-117, Eric seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-117 is opened Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-117 with proposal in Jira minus the asterisk Laurent Domenech: Eric seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-117 is resolved Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-118 Laurent Domenech: [Eric] it seems that it is an assembly issue that should say "any changes to behavior in the runtime environment should be expressed as policy" Laurent Domenech: [Anish] the spec should define the default, vendor should not be able to define the default Laurent Domenech: [Anish] vendor extensions should be clear in the SCDL Laurent Domenech: [Dave] I have different views on what the extensions might be Laurent Domenech: [Eric] I don't think this is a valid issue Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-118 is deferred until next week Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-119 Laurent Domenech: Issue should say "Description: BWS40006", a 0 is missing Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-119 Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, BINDINGS-119 is opened Laurent Domenech: [Eric] if it is changed to "can", it is not a normative statement anymore Laurent Domenech: [Anish] normative statement would have to be removed anish 8 issues in 40 minutes. that's not too bad Laurent Domenech: Eric moves to resolve BINDINGS-119 by changing BWS40006 into a non normative statement and removing the corresponding test assertion Laurent Domenech: Anish seconds Laurent Domenech: Wording should be changed by replacing "MAY" by "can" Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, BINDINGS-119 is resolved Laurent Domenech: 6. Open issue discussion Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-95 Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-105 Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-106 Laurent Domenech: updates for the three issues described in Simon's email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html Laurent Domenech: [Eric] there is a missing link for the wire format, as mentioned in email Laurent Domenech: Eric moves to resolved BINDINGS-95, BINDINGS-105, BINDINGS-106 with the changes identified in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html, with replace the reference in line 249, to section 3.2 by section 4 Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, BINDINGS-95, BINDINGS-105 and BINDINGS-106 are resolved Laurent Domenech: Simon: Meeting adjourned. Next meeting same time next week. |
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