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Subject: Re: [sca-j] RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Mary, Could you elaborate on why it is not required to own the domain? What happens if someone else does? Using a domain name that you don't own breaks the fundamental assumption in ensuring that there aren't any name clashes. Thanks. -Anish -- Mary McRae wrote: > Hi Mark, > > > > It is my understanding, from several sources, that it is not required > that we actually own the domain. The appeal itself was withdrawn so the > board has not rendered a decision. The TC Administrator decision is for > the TC to use oasisopen.org. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > *From:* Mark Combellack [mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:35 AM > *To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > *Cc:* sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > I’ve been looking though all open issues for SCA-J TC and noticed that > we have not yet had any feedback on the appeal of the OASIS decision > regarding the SCA-J package name. As far as I can tell, last email on > this subject is the one below from you. > > > > I was wondering if there has been any further progress on this issue. If > there has not, could I get you to check with OASIS IT to see if they > have made any progress. > > > > For your information, we are having our face to face meeting next week > and would love to be able to make a final decision on package naming at > this meeting. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Mark > > Mark Combellack| Software Developer| Avaya | Eastern Business Park | St. > Mellons | Cardiff | CF3 5EA | Voice: +44 (0) 29 2081 7624 | > mcombellack@avaya.com <mailto:|mcombellack@avaya.com> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary McRae > *Sent:* 20 May 2008 15:15 > *To:* 'Simon Nash' > *Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; > booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; > martin.chapman@oracle.com; 'Mary McRae'; mbgl@us.ibm.com; Mark > Combellack; mrowley@bea.com > *Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > Thanks Simon, > > > > I’ve forwarded the request to OASIS IT – I will keep you posted. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:42 AM > *To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > *Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; > booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; > martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; > mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com > *Subject:* Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > Mary, > My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The sca-j TC > discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion: > > "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, > assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS." > > If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current owner > of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is > possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain. > > Many thanks. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com > > 20/05/2008 14:11 > > Please respond to > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > To > > > > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB > > cc > > > > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, > martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > > Subject > > > > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Simon, > > Any update on this issue? > > Thanks, > > Mary > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> wrote: > Yes – oasisopen.org <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by > someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look into > what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. > Conversely, oasis.org <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a gift/trade > show, which is not an acceptable solution. > > > > Mary > > > > *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* > To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; > ashok.malhotra@oracle.com <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; > booz@us.ibm.com <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; jmarino@bea.com > <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; martin.chapman@oracle.com > <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com > <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; mcombellack@avaya.com > <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; mrowley@bea.com <mailto:mrowley@bea.com> > > * > Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > Mary, > The domain oasisopen.org <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned by > someone else, as is the domain oasis.org <http://oasis.org/>. If OASIS > is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having > ownership of oasisopen.org <http://oasisopen.org/>, would OASIS be > willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to > offer one of these but not the other. > > The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org <http://oasisj.org/> > domain is currently unowned and therefore available for acquisition by > OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my personal preference would be > org.oasis. In expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and > not on behalf of the TC. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <**mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>* > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>> > > 02/05/2008 19:49 > > > > Please respond to > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> > > > > > > To > > > > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>> > > cc > > > > <mbgl@us.ibm.com <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>>, <booz@us.ibm.com > <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com > <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>>, <mcombellack@avaya.com > <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com > <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>, <jmarino@bea.com > <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>>, <mrowley@bea.com <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>>, > <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>> > > Subject > > > > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at > the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and > literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike > Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of > the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree > that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I > asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable > and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa. > > Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this > conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. > > Regards, > > Mary > * > From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* > To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* > Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; booz@us.ibm.com > <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; martin.chapman@oracle.com > <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; mcombellack@avaya.com > <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com > <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; jmarino@bea.com > <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; mrowley@bea.com <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>; > ashok.malhotra@oracle.com <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > TECHNICAL > > (Summary) > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by > Java developers. > > (Detail) > > The decision comes in two parts. > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS. > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by > the SCA-J TC. > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package > names is highly unusual and unconventional. > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain > name. In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package > prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J > TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix > to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that > OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available. > > PROCEDURAL > > (Summary) > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. > > (Detail) > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to > be answered (ref. [4]). > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not > respond. > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > only be changed by formal appeal. > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > stated above. > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She > has not done so. > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member > > > REFERENCES > > [1] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html > > [2] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html > > [3] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html > > [4] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html > > [5] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html > > [6] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html > > [7] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html > > [8] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > -- > Mary P McRae > Manager of TC Administration, OASIS_ > _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > voip: 603.232.9090 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > >
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