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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Patent encumberances as they apply to UBL?
Wow! Steady on there Mr JustParanoid !?! Actually you have to persist <free speech>my opinion</free speech> from a programming language memory object in a document presentation into a storage media using XML. So technically you are not infringing - and especially if like me you are typing this in Outlook or Outlook Express ; -) Microsoft clearly got the patent as a defense against crazies trying to patent the XML mechanisms in MS Word.... DW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lyon" <david.lyon@computergrid.net> To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Patent encumberances as they apply to UBL? > > Unfortunately, I just live in Australia where we still kindof > have free speech... > > but now, it seems that this patent over-rules our right > to free speech. And the 3rd amendment and the things > that attracted me so much to the states... > > now if we want to write anything in markup... > > we have to get permission from microsoft to do so... > > otherwise we are breaking their patent... > > thus the following is illegal... > > <free speech>my opinion</free speech> > > This is a major violation of their patent. > > But now I cannot say that anymore, can I? > > I have just violated the law that they have > imposed on me. And I can't do anything about > it except for spend time in Guantanamo bay with > other Australians who don't like it either... > > What happened to the us constition? even as > an australian I really liked and admired that thing. > > how can we do anything in xml now? > > this is bizzare..! no freedom of expression anymore > because a big company owns the patent to written > English..... > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:01 pm, David Webber (XML) wrote: > > Jon, > > > > I don't know what prompted Davids' question - possibly the > > Microsoft so called "XML patent" - (which is being > > challenged by the XML community as I understand it). > > > > However - one needs to ask - "Ollie, how did we get into this > > fine mess?". > > > > Clearly if we did not have software patents in the first place > > we would not have to worry about such issues. > > > > Unfortunately the USPTO has become addicted and dependent > > on the fees these generate, and lost sight of the original intent > > and purpose - replacing it with a laughable rubber stamping > > operation akin to a circus side show where a $1 gets you > > three chances to win. And this has led to everyone being > > held hostage by the process itself. > > > > Someone just simply needs to pull the plug.... > > > > DW > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jon.bosak@sun.com> > > To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Patent encumberances as they apply to UBL? > > > > > [david.lyon@computergrid.net:] > > > > > > | Does anybody know what patents are held that > > > | might inhibit the use of UBL? > > > > > > I don't believe that anyone on earth knows this. There are > > > certainly patents out there broad enough that someone could claim > > > infringement; for example > > > > > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39200357,00.htm > > > > > > | is it safe to implement a UBL based system and > > > | be free from a big company claiming patent abuse? > > > > > > I Am Not A Lawyer, but it's my understanding that you cannot > > > implement anything and be sure that someone won't claim patent > > > infringement. > > > > > > | There seems to be much talk on xml-dev about > > > | various companies holding patents over xml work. > > > | > > > | Do any of these patents apply to UBL? > > > > > > Do any of them apply in reality to anything? > > > > > > I have it on good authority that a certain large company has a > > > patent on the idea of an electronic purchase order. Whether such > > > a patent means anything in practice is an open question. > > > > > > | What patent encumberances are there that might > > > | apply to UBL? > > > > > > I think that this is impossible to know; see above. > > > > > > [chiusano_joseph@bah.com:] > > > > > > | I believe this type of information for an OASIS TC is always > > > | posted on the TC's home page, per OASIS policy. > > > > > > [david@drrw.info:] > > > > > > | OASIS does not track patents held by non-members, nor members who > > > | are not participating in that TC's activities. > > > > > > Nor can it. Nor can anyone. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > -- > Computergrid : The ones with the most connections win. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > >
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