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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Ordering Question
Hi Jan In my opinion, the modified Order Response is a kind of Quotation, and sometimes it is officially more than that depending on the contract and terms and depending say on which of the qualified LineItem lines are used in the modification - whether SellerProposedSubstitute- or SellerSubstituteLineItem. The latter could be previously agreed in a contract and there could be some automation agreed but the laws for the locality (e.g. EU procurement directives) would, together with the contract determine whether the OrderResponse could be more or less like an OrderChange. It's up to those designing the process and the requirements they design it with to decide what should happen following an OrderResponse with modifications. I'd suggest it is simplest for the OrderResponse with modification to be like a mixture of rejection and quotation resulting in either the first order being cancelled and another Order being sent or just an OrderChange being sent by the Buyer. There may be contractual reasons to modify this process but that might be more complex. I suggest that the main areas of difference might be 1) whether or not a second Order should be accompanied by an actual OrderCancellation (since it seems debatable whether the first 'order' ever became an actual order without a full acceptance being received by the Buyer from the Seller, so one could argue the first order didn't need cancelling because it was never finalised) 2) whether the OrderResponse with modifications actually constitutes confirmation of acceptance of part of the order (if it does it may make further action uneccessary and result in a firmed order once the Buyer receives it). Using ebXML may be an answer in this case to your concern because the OrderResponse is sent according to a defined process (e.g. ebBP) and the message could be sent with a non-repudiable received response (or just, for all I know, a non-repudiable OrderResponse with normal acceptance response signals from the Buyer system may be enough). All very interesting but mainly a legal issue I think. These might be the kind of issues to consider in the answer but the answer may have to be resolved on a case-by-case basis by legal folk due the dependancy on local / context specific factors. UBL sought to cover all eventualities and the UBP processes are atomic to allow for this (they can be combined for local requirements). All the best Steve >>> Jan Algermissen <algermissen1971@mac.com> 01/01/07 22:23:10 >>> Hi, I have a question rearding the ordering process described by UBL 2.0: If the seller party modifies an order and thus replies to an Order with an OrderResponse and if the buyer chooses to accept the modified order (thereby reaching one of the two end states of the ordering process) how does the seller know that the buyer accepted the modified offer? Generaly speaking: IIUC, the only way for the seller to know the end state of the buyer is via the OrderResponseSimple, where the seller kows the buyers state because it is simply represented by the previous Order message. Thanks for any help. Jan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org
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