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Subject: Re: SV: [ubl-dev] Danish implementation of UBL published as Good Practice Case in the EU eGovernment Go
Interesting article here http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480021.aspx co-authored by the author of the report :-) On 02/02/07, Stephen Green <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk> wrote: > Something about this sounds to me personally like > one half of a circular argument. > > One half might be: > > we use these suppliers because they support technology x > > the other: > > we use technology x because these suppliers support it > > Does it to anyone else? > > Then it might become another half of a circular argument: > > country x does this because they think it more likely other countries, y, z will > > which has as it's other half of a circle: > > counties y,z do this because country x does it > > Which all condenses into just 'supplier x does it' - period :-) > > Sorry :-( > > Stephen Green > > > > >>> "Mikkel Hippe Brun" <MHB@itst.dk> 01/02/07 21:53:21 >>> > Dear David and Sacha, > > Thank you for your comments. I suggest that we continue this discussion on > ubl-dev. > > I was personally one of the promotors of using ebMS in the VAN infrastructure > in Denmark. The National IT and Telecom Agency facilitated a process, where > the VAN-operators developed the ebMS profile, and we were very happy with the > outcome. ebMS is a simple and easy to read spec. > > However - we have not chosen to go with ebXML in the public sector for a > number of reasons. > > * We had CBDI analyze and compare ebXML and the WS-* standards. See "The Role > of ebXML and Web Service Protocols" at > http://www.oio.dk/files/ebxml-og-webservices-soa-rapport-mvtu-v1.0.pdf The > pdf contains a Danish introduction but the rest is in English. The report > emphazises that the WS-* standards has more traction and vendor support than > ebXML. > > * We asked the industry and the public sector in Denmark to come up with > business requirements for an infrastructure. We also asked them about their > preference in regards to the choice of standards. We made it clear that the > easy choice (from a technology viewpoint) would be to go with ebXML. The > feedback we got was that they wanted us to follow the WS-* road rather than > an ebXML road because large suppliers like BEA, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle > were supporting the WS-* stank of standards and the resolution of > interoperability issues in WS-I. > > Denmark is part of the NES group and discussions about infrastructure is also > an important part of the collaboration. We have spent considerable time on > discussing how we ensure that messages can flow freely between different > network infrastructures (ie. and ebXML framework and a WS-* based framework). > It is our goal that it should be possible to exchange UBL messages across > borders and between networks. Sweden has been using an ebXML infrastructure > and now Denmark is building an WS-* infrastructure. Denmark has a strong PKI > infrastructure and Sweeden does not. None of this matters because the > establishment of gateways will ensure that messages can flow freely. > > We are currently establishing gateways to the VAN-operators such that UBL > messages will be able to flow between the networks. It would be possible for > us to make a similar gateway to a pure internetbased use of ebXML her in > Denmark should anyone request it. > > We have invested lots of resources in ensuring interoperability between the > .Net platform and the Java platform (Axis Sandesha and Rampart). Supporting > SMTP in addition to HTTP in combination with WS-Security and > WS-ReliableMessaging has also been a difficult nut to crack. It has been > difficult to achieve some of the same capabilities that we meet in ebXML. But > it was a deliberate choice we made. We support the use of open standards and > every line of code we produce in this projcet is donated to open source. > > We are in no way relegious about these issues. I do not beleive that Europe > will have one homogenious infrastructure because of national and regional > differences in how security is handled. I congratulate the people behind > ebXML for producing high quality standards and free tools. I would love to > see more use of UBL around the world on any infrastructure. > > Best regards > > Mikkel > > > Mikkel Hippe Brun > Chief consultant, M.Sc. > Direct: +45 3337 9220 > Cell: +45 2567 4252 > E-mail: mhb@itst.dk <mailto:mhb@itst.dk> > > National IT and Telecom Agency > Center for Service Oriented Infrastructure > Holsteinsgade 63 > DK-2100 Copenhagen Ø > Denmark > Tel: +45 3545 0000 > Fax: +45 3545 0010 > www.itst.dk <http://www.itst.dk> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > >
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