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Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] P2P for e-business - applications?
Afterthought: collaboration using HTTP rather than P2P as such is an alternative of course, but that adds a third party - the host or hub. In a sense the UBP does that as a potential default anyway - if you don't want to have to design the process and agree the details of a customisation then SystML's processes and subsets could just be the default ones (or SBS if that were finished for UBL 2 and included processes) http://www.systml.co.uk/xml Couldn't these just be plugged into the various P2P/B2B products? Maybe if we had a few reference implementations - P2P and/or HTTP. Steve Quoting stephen.green@systml.co.uk: > Hi Guys > > So it looks like it is still on the horizon, albeit > with some vendor reluctance, then. > > I could imagine it being very useful for situations > where there is collaboration needed: you mention the > problem there is in parties agreeing business processes > and I'd add to it agreement of the constituent parts > of a document (customisation as UBL calls it). Maybe > products will one day use IM or the like to provide > collaboration; like chat but more structured and > controlled, point-to-point, clerk-to-clerk as it were. > This could result in configuration of both systems for > the subsequent B2B. It's not so far fetched when you > look at the negotiation of CPAs in ebXML. > > So what's the point of point-to-point? :-) Not much > more than allowing collaboration in real time. In B2B > I'd regard that as imperative for trading agreements > but not necessarily for the business itself. But if > it is provided for agreement resolution then why not > allow it to be used subsequently for the business > itself. > > But all this talk of expensive development just makes > me think there must be more value in doing it than you > guys say or you wouldn't be talking about it still :-) > > All the best > > Stephen Green > > > > Quoting david.lyon@preisshare.net: > >> Quoting Roger Bass <Roger@Traxian.com>: >> >>> Stephen, David et al, >>> >>> I'm jumping into this thread a little late... >> >> no - unfortunately it is still an ongoing thing... >> >>> This technology discussion all misses the point. From a pragmatic SMB's >>> perspective, all they care about in this context is interconnecting >>> their business processes with one or more of their trading partners - >>> and having that be easy and inexpensive enough to be worthwhile, in the >>> context of the overall business relationship. (The paper you link is >>> quite flawed in its most basic premises and approach, IMHO). >> >> Pretty much. I'd second that. >> >>> Don't get me wrong - I'd love to have a technology that could do at >>> least some connections P2P, and would do it for free. >> >> I think that there's a lot of talk and promises about this in the >> marketplace. But it usually comes down to it needing some (quite) >> expensive programming being done in an outsourced setting. It starts >> off with the promise of cheap... but ends up being more costly than the >> clients could have ever imagined because you end up having to provide >> on the job training for the programmers even though you are being >> charged full market rates. >> >> It's interesting to pick up the pieces anyhow. >> >>> In fact, I expect we will end up doing P2P in future - but only >>> once we have a big enough group of SMBs connected to have a stable set >>> of end-to-end process requirements. Then and only then will we (or >>> anyone else trying to do this) be able to deliver a P2P product that >>> actually works. >>> >>> There are no short cuts here. >> >> I think that's what a lot of us are trying to do. Sounds like a >> familiar soapbox anyway. >> >> Regards >> >> David >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org
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