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Subject: RE: Guidelines [Was: Re: [ubl-ndrsc] Slides on contextualizing UBL]
Eduardo, Still can't get open office to work.(have uninstalled, reinstalled, installed latest version of java - all to no avail). Can you send word version. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:eduardo.gutentag@sun.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:57 PM > To: UBL-NDR > Subject: Guidelines [Was: Re: [ubl-ndrsc] Slides on > contextualizing UBL] > > > Thanks Eve, this reminds me that I promised yesterday that > I'd send the Guidelines > for comments. Pls find it attached. I'm sending the > OpenOffice version, which is > much smaller than the Word one. If someone has problems with > this version, let > me know and I'll send them the Word version (I think I've > solved the conversion > issue I was having, so it should be pretty similar to the OO one). > > Eve L. Maler wrote: > > I stole from Arofan's and Eduardo's XML 2002 talk in putting these > > together as part of my Metadata Open Forum talk; I'm > sending them here > > because I thought others in addition to Matt might be interested. > > > > -- > Eduardo Gutentag | e-mail: > eduardo.gutentag@Sun.COM > Web Technologies and Standards | Phone: +1 510 550 > 4616 x31442 > Sun Microsystems Inc. | 1800 Harrison St. > Oakland, CA 94612 > W3C AC Rep / OASIS TAB Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> Received: (qmail 30952 invoked by uid 60881); 20 Mar 2003 14:33:18 -0000 Received: from eve.maler@sun.com by hermes by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.15 (spamassassin: 2.43. Clear:SA:0(-2.9/8.0):. Processed in 0.309677 secs); 20 Mar 2003 14:33:18 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hitsÒ.9 requiredŽ0 Received: from unknown (HELO nwkea-mail-1.sun.com) (192.18.42.13) by mail.oasis-open.org with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 14:33:18 -0000 Received: from sydney.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.16]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28028 for <ubl-ndrsc@lists.oasis-open.org>; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-147-153-114.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.153.114]) by sydney.East.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id h2KEf7016996 for <ubl-ndrsc@lists.oasis-open.org>; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:41:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E79D2F4.8080809@sun.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:40:52 -0500 From: "Eve L. Maler" <eve.maler@sun.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: UBL-NDR <ubl-ndrsc@lists.oasis-open.org> Subject: Re: [ubl-ndrsc] Matt's comments on Guidelines References: <3E789938.7040901@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <3E789938.7040901@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charsetì-ascii; formatõowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks great! It's a model of clarity, the examples are extremely helpful, and I find it a relief to see such clear <context> syntax. :-) I have just a few comments: - General questions: Will the "shoulds" and "musts" here ultimately be turned into numbered Rn rules? Is this document destined to be folded into the NDR document? - General comment: There are a number of little stylistic and copyediting needs and the graphics could be normalized a bit. E.g., the "Customization through other means" header (line 283) has some weird page breaking going on around it. I might be able to help with this sometime next week, if desired. - One-per-context (line 114): I'm sure this is treated below, but the rule is more subtle than expressed here, right? It's not that particular slot (context driver) out of the eight can't be used again, but the value in that slot (the "context") must be more specific than the previous value supplied for that slot (if any) in the derivation chain. - "Explicit" type definitions (line 172): I would say "named" rather than "explicit", because both named and anonymous types are explicit (that is, they both have a complexType or simpleType element around them). - Requiring the use of a derived type (line 179): Doesn't the derived type have to be bound to an element in the user's namespace in order to require use of the new type instead of the base one? It doesn't quite say so here (or does the next bullet say it for a different reason?). - Deletion of required components (line 286): The general case should be stated as x..y to x-1..y. 0..y is just an example of a particular kind of reduction. - Abstract ur-types (line 299): I don't quite understand this graphic. Where does d,e,f get added on the ultimate type on the left? And shouldn't one example derivation in the picture be shown emanating from the abstract level rather than the derive 80/20 level? Eve Eduardo Gutentag wrote: > On behalf of Matthew, who seems to be unable to post to this list (and > come to > think of it, I don't even know if I can, we'll see). I just saw this, so > I have not read it at all. So, sight unseen, I'll venture that it still > needs > more and better examples :) > > Dan Vidt expressed willingness to work w/me on examples. Dan, you still > there? > > Quoting from Matt's message to me: > > "The document seems great to me. I only made a few editorial changes. I > think the important next step is for this to be reviewed by other > members of the UBL TC (particularly the LC and NDR subcommittees) and to > be looked at by potential users (not sure how to sollicit feedback on > this). My biggest concern is that much of the content of the document > may not be sufficiently clear for a UBL newbie; obviously as a co-author > it is hard for me to make a judgement on this." > > > -- Eve Maler +1 781 442 3190 Sun Microsystems cell +1 781 354 9441 Web Technologies and Standards eve.maler @ sun.com
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