Re: [ubl] Minutes UBL TC Atlantic call

[Eduardo Gutentag <Eduardo.Gutentag@Sun.COM>]

On 08/04/2004 11:03 AM, Anne Hendry wrote:
> Hi Eduardo,
> 
> Jon took an AI to put a finalized proposal to the list between now and 
> the Pacific call which would be a summary of your proposal with the 
> choice of the ndr option being the reduced description (the first ndr 
> option you mentioned).  Mark will take an AI to update the rule(s) - 
> there are several sections this would impact.  As i recall, what Jon 
> puts out  should contain your examples as well, at least definitely for 
> the parts of the URN that we specify values for (specification-id, type, 
> sub-type, and document-id), and rfc 3121 will be noted as the definitive 
> source for the overal structure, as you proposed.  We did discuss pretty 
> much all the aspects you mentioned in your suggestions.  Many of the 
> currently implemented schema urns will change as a result.
> 
> *** there was an unresolved question as to whether or not there is 
> really a need to specify the version for the specification-id, given 
> that there is a version for the document-id.   Most on the call felt 
> not..  If you could provide your thoughts on this before (or during) the 
> Pacific call today that would be great.

It depends -- I would agree that at face falue there is no need to specify
whether document-id CoreComponentParameters1.0 is related to ubl1.0 or ubl2.0
so we should use simply ubl in specification-id. However, if these namespaces
were to be used in the manner in which namespace names are being used almost
uniformly in the industry, that is as pointers at a location where a user
can retrieve the schema whose namespace name this is, then I believe it makes
a lot of sense to specify whether we're talking ubl2.0 rather than ubl1.0, if
nothing more than to facilitate the construction of catalogs for URN resolution.
What can I do? I'm old fashioned, and I think that i's and t's should be
dotted and crossed; but I'm also flexible, and if people believe it's not
needed, so be it.

> 
> -A
> 
> Eduardo Gutentag wrote:
> 
>> > Eduardo proposes either deleting the NDR rule or referencing
>> > RFC 3121.
>> >
>> > In the Atlantic call we agreed the following:
>> >
>> >  We agree to accept his proposal to reference RFC 3121, but we don't
>> > agree to delete the rule in total. We need to change the URNs, we don't
>> > need to change the filenames. At a minimum we need to say that we use
>> > periods and not colons.
>>
>> My apologies for being unable to participate this morning. I hope this
>> summary is an ultra summary rather than an accurate one, because I 
>> didn't just
>> propose to reference RFC 3121; I thought I had a concrete example of how
>> to construct URNs -- has that been discussed? Will the URNs be replaced
>> with correct ones? Or has this been postponed further until the F2F?
>>
>> On 08/04/2004 10:08 AM, Mavis Cournane wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all
>>> please find attached the minutes of today's call.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Mavis
>>> ---------------------
>>> 1. Roll call and welcome by the moderator (Mavis)
>>>
>>> Mavis Cournane
>>> Mike Grimley
>>> Jon Bosak
>>> Anne Hendry
>>> Paul Thorpe
>>> Michael Dill
>>> Tony Coates
>>> Mark Crawford
>>>
>>>
>>>  Text in {braces} refers to items in the work list at
>>>
>>>       http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/worklist.xls
>>>
>>>    You should refer to the latest version of this file just before
>>>    the meeting begins.  The reference format is
>>>
>>>       {Sheet_Name:line_number}
>>>
>>>    where "Sheet_Name" is "UBL10", "Teamwork", etc.
>>>
>>> ==================================================================
>>> STANDING ITEMS
>>> ==================================================================
>>>
>>> {Standing_Agenda:6}  Calendar review
>>>                      JG: Check with organizers of OTA conference
>>> Deferred
>>>
>>>
>>>                      (October in Chicago)
>>>
>>> {Liaisons:13} Ontolog forum
>>>               PY: Liaison status
>>> Deferred
>>>
>>> ==================================================================
>>> SUBCOMMITTEES AND WORK TEAMS
>>> ==================================================================
>>>
>>> {Teamwork:3} HISC
>>> {Teamwork:4} SSC
>>> AH: Reported on SSC. There are a couple of open items. We only have 2 
>>> changes to the namespaces.
>>> JB: We will decide on the QA process in Copenhagen for 1.1. For 1.0 
>>> we will all sit down and go through the whole list.
>>> AH: there was something on UBL Dev that I sent out a question of that 
>>> we need an answer on.
>>> ==================================================================
>>> PRIORITY ITEMS FOR THIS MEETING
>>> ==================================================================
>>>
>>> {UBL10:6} Issues review
>>>           TC: Continue review of remaining issues
>>>
>>> The only issues remaining are:
>>>
>>>    a.3 Namespace URNs; see previous correspondence.
>>>
>>> Eduardo proposes either deleting the NDR rule or referencing
>>> RFC 3121.
>>>
>>> In the Atlantic call we agreed the following:
>>>
>>>  We agree to accept his proposal to reference RFC 3121, but we don't 
>>> agree to delete the rule in total. We need to change the URNs, we 
>>> don't need to change the filenames. At a minimum we need to say that 
>>> we use periods and not colons.
>>>
>>> Action: JB will write up a proposed rule and send it out to the list 
>>> for a vote.
>>>    a.4 Attribute names; see minutes of Pacific TC call 20040729.
>>>
>>> We propose to change the NDR rule
>>>
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>>>
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> 
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