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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 15 June 2005
MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC MEETING 15H00 - 17H00 UTC WEDNESDAY 15 JUNE 2005 08h00 - 10h00 Wed San Francisco 11h00 - 13h00 Wed Washington 16h00 - 18h00 Wed London ############################################# STANDING INFORMATION FOR UBL CONFERENCE CALLS U.S. domestic toll-free number: (866)839-8145 Int. access/caller paid number: (865)524-6352 Access code: 5705229 ############################################# ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Peter Borresen Mikkel Brun Marty Burns Mavis Cournane Stephen Green Anne Hendry Zarella Rendon Paul Thorpe Sylvia Webb STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar (http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm) CEN/ISSS e-invoicing workshop in Geneva 6/27 -- MikkelB will attend. Liaison report: OASIS ebBP TC StephenG: The ebBP TC invites the UBL TC to review and comment on ebXML BPSS 2.0.1: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=ebxml-bp BrianR is requesting the addition of Schematron as a schema type in BPSS; this would fit the use of Schematron in implementing the UBL SBS. Subcommittee reports See minutes of this week's Pacific call. Team report: European input PeterB: There will be a meeting Monday and Tuesday hosted by OGC in London to discuss the extended procurement process and finalize the list of documents. Team report: Code list JonB: MikeG has submitted comments; see minutes of last week's Atlantic call. AGREED that we will publish line-numbered UBL documents in PDF format so that we don't experience problems referencing line numbers when commenting. MartyB: There were actually two documents, one from MartyB and one from TonyC; we disagree on certain points. Tony wants two models, one for UBL and one generic; Marty wants just one. See the email excerpts included with the package sent to the list 4/25. The CL team needs guidance from the TC on this. ACTION: TC to review the discussion between Marty and Tony in the package posted by Marty 4/25; this issue to be put on the agenda for next week's Atlantic call. ACTION: MavisC to "review the xml-dev thread regarding redefine as an alternative to substitution groups and then contact Henry Thompson for clarification (MartyB could not get Henry's suggestion to work)." [From minutes of the June 1 Atlantic call] ACTION: MartyB to contact MavisC offline to arrange participation in next week's NDR editors conference call. Review of Pacific and Europe/Asia calls No comments on this week's Pacific minutes. This week's Eurasia minutes were not yet available at the time of the call. CATALOG CONTENT PROPOSAL MikkelB: There is strong European interest in developing a Catalog document. Denmark needs to produce a Catalog standard this year and wants to include it in UBL 2.0. ITST will employ TimM to help with this work and has offered to sponsor the development in UBL if the TC accepts it. Two F2F workshops would be held to create Catalog, the first in mid-August to consolidate business requirements and scope the output, and the second in mid-October to focus on modeling and content. It would be advantageous to everyone if catalog could come as part of an OASIS standards and not as a proprietary Danish initiative. ITST is willing to cooperate fully with the UBL TC in making this happen. JonB: Catalog is a very important document, and it would be good to include it in UBL 2.0; the primary concern is whether this can be done without negatively affecting the 2.0 delivery schedule. A preliminary look at the schedule in progress (draft due out later this week) indicates that this is possible, but we cannot put this content on the critical path for 2.0 release. AGREED: We like the idea of including Catalog in UBL 2.0 and approve ITST's plan to proceed with the workshops. We will include Catalog in UBL 2.0 if we can do so without slipping the schedule. ACTION ITEM REVIEW ACTION: JonB to ask for a volunteer to serve as liaison to TBG17. JonB: Note that StigK is the liaison from TBG17 to UBL; this is about a liaison from UBL to TBG17. StephenG: Under the impression that people involved in the TBG17 work cannot also represent UBL. SylviaW: Not so; see new process description on the TBG17 site. StephenG: Then we should try to get a current TBG17 member, SueP for example, to participate in UBL as a liaison. SCHEDULING POLICY DECISIONS JonB: The schedule in progress needs to include resolution of some major policy issues. I see three: Reusable architecture; substitution groups; code lists. Discussion: Reusable: Saito-san has shown implementation of the proposal from Hangzhou; we need to review and discuss this. Substitution groups: MavisC needs to complete her AI [see above] and suggest a course of action. StephenG: We need to add two other issues. (1) DavidK/SSC need to know whether we will be using ATG2 data type schemas in 2.0. (2) There is the question of whether we are deferring all consideration of minor versioning until after the major release. MavisC: Before we create the major release, we want to know if the minor versioning strategy will work. JonB: But what we found out in 1.0 is that we can't know whether we have the right methodology for minor versioning until we try to create the minor version. We decided earlier that we wouldn't put the minor versioning strategy on the critical path for 2.0. StephenG: The strategy depends on whether we use substitution groups. MavisC: As with the customization strategy. ACTION: JonB to work minor versioning and customization into the draft schedule. NDR WORK SESSION We need to sign off on the changes proposed for the next round of schema programming: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200506/msg00033.html SylviaW: If we can get the schema changes in by next week, we should be able to meet the schedule. ACTION: NDR editors to discuss DavidK's comments on the proposed changes and respond on the list with a spreadsheet that has their responses to his comments; TC to review the proposed changes together with both sets of comments and be prepared to give final approval in next week's Atlantic call. NOTE THAT ALL INPUT ON THIS HAS TO BE RECEIVED IN TIME TO BE DISCUSSED IN NEXT WEEK'S CALL. SylviaW: The checklist at the end of the current NDR draft still contains some older versions of the rules; maybe it would be best to remove the checklist till all of the changes have been made to the main document. ACTION: NDR editors to discuss the state of the NDR checklist. SBSC SUBMISSION The SBS package has been submitted by the SBSC: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200506/msg00034.html AGREED that we will proceed with this on a "no objections" basis, i.e., we will trust that the SBSC is doing the right thing and rely on interested TC members to tell us if something needs changing. ACTION: TC to review the package over the next two weeks, with all comments back to the SBSC by 4 July. ACTION: JonB to review the current TC process and determine whether the SBS should be moved forward as a Committee Draft or a Committee Specification, the primary requirement being for a persistent URL. ACTIONS THAT GOT AWAY For some reason, these AIs from the Atlantic call 1 June escaped tracking; they are recorded here so that we can review them next week. ACTION: MavisC to send input to MarkC for ATG (see item #6 in the minutes of the 1 June Eurasia call). ACTION: JonB to generate a detailed timeline for UBL 2.0.
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