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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 8|9 May 2006
MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING 00:30 - 02:30 UTC TUESDAY 9 MAY 2006 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Stephen Green Andy Schoka (returning from Leave of Absence) Sylvia Webb JB: Note that, as usual, we will not be holding these phone conferences the week before or the week after the TC meeting in Brussels. The next Pacific TC call will take place 6 June 2006 (the evening of 5 June in the Americas). SW: We may need to hold an Atlantic working session next week. STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar: http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm JB: Gave back-to-back UBL presentations at the "XML for the Financial Industry" conference in Manhattan 3 May. Well received. Presented the two-phase validation concept for the first time and gave a plug for genericode; later talked to leaders of MDDL and FPL (FIX) about moving genericode forward as a standard. TonyC, GKH, and I have agreed to participate in an OASIS TC for this purpose; we're now looking for other participants, especially members from OASIS organizations (necessary to begin the TC). Liaison report: ebBP TC SG: Pim, Monica, and Sacha are giving talks and a tutorial at this week's OASIS symposium. ebBP CS may have to go for another ballot. Monica contacted Kama about the CrimsonLogic work; KR sent a very good package for the COO business process that will serve as a statement of use. AS: Found a new white paper from Dale Moberg and Monica Martin about BPSS; good for people needing background. Also an announcement in OASIS News mentions UBL and SBS. SG: There will also be a talk at OMG regarding ebBP. Subcommittee report: SBSC SG: Lots of discussion on ubl-dev; conclusion is that the SBS is probably not the best place for data type restrictions. There may be a case for something like the code list methodology. AS: Similarly, CEFACT is struggling with TDED, which defines elements specifically by length and type. SW: What drives users and commercial software is in the NDRs, not in other supplementary documentation. We're finding nothing that would prevent users from doing what's been discussed by Joe Chiusano. Implementing restrictions etc. would require changes to the NDRs -- not in 2.x! JB: Not sure that something like the code list methodology is the way to do this. The key realization of the CL methodology is that value checking should be separate from structure and vocabulary checking. But in restricting data types we're not value checking. SW: There are already mechanisms for agreeing on this kind of customization. SG: Doing this in schema with redefine would require a change of namespace, whereas the CL methodology would allow restrictions without changing the namespace [or modifying the standard schemas]. SW: We're talking about getting deep into the individual ways in which businesses decide how they are going to customize... a can of worms... SG: We need to allow the addition of steps without changing namespace... Possibly something like the CL association file that caters to other data types. A [prose] description, for example: we want to make sure we can keep the whole thing on the system, so we might want to add a limit. JB: [Realizing that his objection noted above might be bogus] I need to think about this. SW: We need to keep in mind both those users that develop solutions from scratch and those that don't.... JB: SBS2 still waiting till schemas are done? SG: Yes, and examples and process descriptions are waiting for new schemas as well. Subcommittee report: PSC SW: Have not had a [quorate] meeting in last two weeks; just ML and SW alone yesterday. There are still many dispositions pending. These need to be presented to the TC. Don't know when this is going to happen. Notice is out for meeting tomorrow. JB: Procedurally OK to present SC dispositions to the TC in Brussels. SW: Hoping to present to the TC before Brussels so that we can go into that meeting with a spreadsheet. May be proposing an atlantic TC work session next week, or just comments via email. JB: Email should be good enough, but we will need to have the spreadsheet in front of the TC by this Monday at the latest to allow a full week of consideration before taking up the dispositions in Brussels. Review of Atlantic call SG: Given no objections to Mavis's note by Wednesday, we will have effectively agreed to change FIXED to DEFAULT for code lists. SW: qDT? SG: See minutes of Atlantic call 26 April. Genericodes are in a codelist directory where codelist schemas used to go. Reference the genericode relative URLs as metatdata in the list URI supplementary component attributes. SW: So what I'm looking for is a set of spreadsheets from Peter and will just have to wait. SG: TM did post spreadsheets with procurement data. JB: So we're still missing transport. SG: There may still be changes to values in qDT. Schedule review http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200602/msg00016.html JB: A lot hinges on whether we can get the PSC issue resolutions in front of the TC by the beginning of next week; otherwise we will have to spend part of the Brussels meeting finishing this. SW: We need all of the issues resolved, not just PSC. BRUSSELS MEETING PLANNING JB: Sent a straw agenda to Tim and Mavis in the expectation that they would start filling it out, but haven't heard anything back. SW: Need the list of attendees. JB: It's in past minutes. [Namely, the minutes of the Atlantic TC call 29 March 2006.] ACTION ITEM REVIEW ACTION: JB to find meeting facilities in Montreal for August meeting. JB: Am now attempting to deal directly with summer residence rentals at McGill. ACTION: JB to user-test GKH's draft 0.4 (see mail of 20 Feb with pointer to the repository). JB: Hope to make real progress on this while TC is meeting in Brussels. ACTION: JB to fit this into the support package schedule: add lines for PSC example instances, TSC example instances, 2.0 SBS for transport, UBP 2 for procurement, UBP 2 for transport. Pending. Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC
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