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Subject: RE: [wsrp-pfb] RE: [uddi-spec] FW: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review
Richard: I'd recommend making the changes to the tModel names replacing the "." delimiter with a "-" as you suggest. So, for example the tModel name would be that what you provided: "oasis-open-org:wsrp:service_type". -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 14:40 To: Andrew Hately Cc: 'Luc Clement'; Steve Capell; uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org; wsrp-pfb@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [wsrp-pfb] RE: [uddi-spec] FW: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review We've choosen the tModel key schema we've found in the UDDI WSDL in UDDI 2.0 TN. Here tModels are introduced with V3 tModel keys using the "." notation like "uddi:uddi.org:xml:namespace. We've choosen the same notation for our tModel names, i.e. our tModel names are exactly the same as the V3 keys. example: "uddi:oasis-open.org:wsrp:service_type" for both the tModel name and V3 tModel key. Steve et all, are we inconsistent with the nameing schema here? Is there any guidance on tModel names we should use, instead? If so, could you point me to such a passage. What I understood you're suggesting we should rename our tModel names using "-" as the delimiter and drop uddi:. In our example this would result in the tModel name: "oasis-open-org:wsrp:service_type" Do you feel that we (the WSRP TC) need to change that? If so, I would need to open a change request for this. Again, we wanted to close on our tech note this week, so I need to put this on the table asap. Please let me know your thoughts. Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards, Richard Jacob ______________________________________________________ IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development WSRP Standardization Technical Lead Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888 Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com Andrew Hately <hately@us.ibm.co m> To "Steve Capell" 11/09/2004 01:06 <steve.capell@redwahoo.com> AM cc "'Luc Clement'" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com>, uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org Subject RE: [uddi-spec] FW: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review To be consistent, I believe the "name" element of the tModel should by a URN format and use - characters and the tModelKey should be URI formatted with a domain part and it should use . for name part seperators. In order to avoid mistakes, it's probably best to always list both. Regards. Andrew Hately IBM Software Group, Emerging Technologies email: hately@us.ibm.com phone: (512) 838-2866 "Steve Capell" <steve.capell@redwahoo.com> To 11/08/2004 09:37 PM "'Luc Clement'" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com>, <uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org> cc Subject RE: [uddi-spec] FW: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Just a little point... We have had alot of little "issues" in deployment becuase of inconsistency about the use of "." vs "-" in the domain name part of tModel keys. URN convention says a domain name should be of the form "uddi-org" whereas typical URLs are of the form "uddi.org". I notice that most canonical tModels use the urn form "uddi-org:...". Now you are proposing a key generator of the form "oasis-open.org". Should it be "oasis-open-org"? Inconsistency with regard to these little issues of colons vs slashes, dots vs dashes, etc wreak havoc when it comes to deployment... :) Regards Steve Capell Red Wahoo Pty Ltd +61 410 437854 -----Original Message----- From: Luc Clement [mailto:Luc.Clement@systinet.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 12:47 PM To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [uddi-spec] FW: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review FYI, A number of TCs are requiring the assignment of key spaces. Find below a thread of discussion whereby it has been discussed and resolve that the following convention will be used "uddi:oasis-open.org:owner" (where owner is the TC name) for the assignment of key spaces for TCs. There are a few details to work out - comments welcome. Luc Luc Clément Co-Chair OASIS UDDI Spec TC Systinet Tel: +1.617.768.4268 www.systinet.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 06:21 To: Luc Clement Cc: claus.von.riegen@sap.com; 'Andrew Hately'; 'James Bryce Clark'; 'John Colgrave'; karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Rich Thompson'; robko@microsoft.com; Tony.Rogers@ca.com; wtcox@comcast.net Subject: RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Luc, great that we agree here. Sounds like we have a convention for OASIS partitions in UDDI. This would also fit well with our tech note. I also agree that we shouldn't stuck this only in our committees. I suppose you need to drive this through the UDDI TC to get the final approval for the convention? I would suggest to add a paragraph about the convention into the OASIS Artifact Naming Guidelines (in section 6). Tim Moses and Bill Cox are the editors, so best thing would be to get in touch with them (I copied Bill). Could the UDDI TC propose a paragraph here? Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards, Richard Jacob ______________________________________________________ IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development WSRP Standardization Technical Lead Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888 Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@syst inet.com> To Richard Jacob/Germany/IBM@IBMDE, 11/02/2004 10:07 "'Rich Thompson'" PM <richt2@us.ibm.com> cc <Tony.Rogers@ca.com>, <claus.von.riegen@sap.com>, <robko@microsoft.com>, "'Andrew Hately'" <hately@us.ibm.com>, John Colgrave/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <karl.best@oasis-open.org>, "'James Bryce Clark'" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org> Subject RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Richard/Rich: I'm fine with the convention you propose. How do we get buy-in from the TAB and add this to the naming guidelines? What I don't want to happen is for this to get "stuck in committee". Luc -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 09:40 To: Rich Thompson Cc: Luc Clement; Tony.Rogers@ca.com; claus.von.riegen@sap.com; robko@microsoft.com; Andrew Hately; John Colgrave Subject: RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Thanks Rich, in this case I would stick to section 6.1.2 (URLs). We can't use URN in the partititon names since this would contradict the seperator used for partitions in UDDI. Therefor I would choose the URL-like syntax: "uddi:oasis-open.org:owner" where owner is the TC name. (section 7.3 of this documents has some similar examples). To overcome the limitation of having OASIS their own tModels we could have a "oasis" partition similar to the other TCs' partitions. So I would propose to: 1. register uddi:oasis-open.org:keygenerator 2. register uddi:oasis-open.org:oasis:keygenerator (if OASIS feels they need it at that time) 3. register uddi:oasis-open.org:uddi-spec:keygenerator 4. register uddi:oasis-open.org:wsrp:keygenerator Btw. seems we lost some people on this thread, I'll add them to cc: again Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards, Richard Jacob ______________________________________________________ IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development WSRP Standardization Technical Lead Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888 Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com Rich Thompson <richt2@us.ibm.co m> To Richard Jacob/Germany/IBM@IBMDE 11/02/2004 03:17 cc PM "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com> Subject RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Sure ... I have attached the proposed guidelines (draft of what the TAB SC is working on). As you noted, this is consistent with the urn format we were given for use in our wsdl and not completely consistent with the url format used elsewhere. Rich Thompson OASIS WSRP TC Chair IBM T.J. Watson Research Center / Yorktown Heights, NY Phone: (914) 945-3225 / (203) 445-0384 email: richt2@us.ibm.com Richard Jacob <richard.jacob@de.ibm.com> To 11/02/2004 08:54 AM Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS cc "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com> Subject RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review I must admin, I haven't found the conventions anywhere (perhaps because of my "lax" search mode). Could you point me to such conventions? I know that we use "urn:oasis:names:tc:wsrp" as the URN namespace which was approved by OASIS. However the OASIS site used "www.oasis-open.org/committees/TCname" for the documents we stored to have constant URLs (for example our WSDLs). Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards, Richard Jacob ______________________________________________________ IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development WSRP Standardization Technical Lead Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888 Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com Rich Thompson <richt2@us.ibm.co m> To Richard Jacob/Germany/IBM@IBMDE 11/02/2004 02:30 cc PM "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com> Subject RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review I would note that the proposed (& I think current) guidelines use "tc" rather than "committees". Rich Thompson OASIS WSRP TC Chair IBM T.J. Watson Research Center / Yorktown Heights, NY Phone: (914) 945-3225 / (203) 445-0384 email: richt2@us.ibm.com Richard Jacob <richard.jacob @de.ibm.com> To "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com>, 11/02/2004 wsrp-pfb@lists.oasis-open.org 08:08 AM cc "'Von Riegen, Claus'" <claus.von.riegen@sap.com>, Andrew Hately/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "'John Colgrave'" <colgrave@uk.ibm.com>, "'Rob Kochman'" <robko@microsoft.com>, "'Rogers, Tony'" <Tony.Rogers@ca.com> Subject RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Luc, thanks for working this out. I copied the wsrp-pfb SC on this. I agree on this appoach, sounds good to me. There is one thing to notice: We talked about the oasis partition in the UBR a while ago with John and Claus (afair) and by that time we came out with uddi:oasis-open.org:<tc name> as the partititons. We're now adding the "committees" subpartition. In general I agree on following the oasis convention (this is used on the OASIS-Site only, right?). However, do we need the "committees" subpartition at all? The only advantage I see it brings us is the fact that keys having the same name as a tc might be registered in the oasis-open.org partition. I see that having the subcommittees partition is a little bit cleaner. In our current UDDI TN we have chosen the first convention for our keys: "uddi:oasis-open.org:wsrp". If you intend to introduce the "committees" subpartition, please let us now, since we then need to change the V3 keys in our tech note (and thus regenerate the derived V2 keys). We intended to accept and finalize the tech note on our F2F next week. The change, or at least the change request for this must be done prior to this. To be clear: I (and hopefully speaking on behalf of our SC) am happy with either convention, but it is important for us timing wise to know which direction you intend to go as soon as possible. On the timing: when do you think we will be ready to go and have the tModel keys in place? You can find all the keys we intend to register in our tech note: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrp/wsrp-pfb/download.php/9532 /wsrp-pfb-uddi-tn-1.0-draft-11.pdf Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards, Richard Jacob ______________________________________________________ IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development WSRP Standardization Technical Lead Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888 Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@syst inet.com> To Richard Jacob/Germany/IBM@IBMDE 10/30/2004 05:25 cc PM "'Rogers, Tony'" <Tony.Rogers@ca.com>, John Colgrave/UK/IBM@IBMGB, "'Von Riegen, Claus'" <claus.von.riegen@sap.com>, "'Rob Kochman'" <robko@microsoft.com>, "'Andrew Hately'" <hately@us.ibm.com> Subject RE: [wsrp-pfb] PFB technical notes ready for public review Richard, See attached email. Sorry for the delay - I hope to solidify this plan shortly. Once we agree on the plan (per attachement) you and I should approach OASIS to get this "blessed". Are you ok with this approach? Once this is one, we can ask the elected UBR operator to register the specific set of keys you need. Could you please provide me with that list of keys? Luc Luc Clément Co-Chair OASIS UDDI Spec TC Systinet Tel: +1.617.768.4268 www.systinet.com ----- Message from "Luc Clement" <Luc.Clement@systinet.com> on Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:21:47 -0400 ----- To: "'John Colgrave'" <colgrave@uk.ibm.com>, "'Andrew Hately'" <hately@us.ibm.com>, "'Von Riegen, Claus'" <claus.von.riegen@sap.com>, "'Rob Kochman'" <robko@microsoft.com> cc: "'Rogers, Tony'" <Tony.Rogers@ca.com> Sub RE: OASIS keyGenerator jec t: John: This is how I'd like to deal with this - basically, we follow your suggestion: 1. we register a key generator for oasis-open.org; register a key generators for "committees"; and register key generators for each TC as they need it. To start with we would create keys for the following TC: UDDI Spec TC WSRP I propose the following name/address convention based on current the current OASIS convention: uddi:oasis-open.org:committees:<tc identifier> 2. To start with, we would register: 1. uddi:oasis-open.org:keygenerator (derived key: uuid:966812b7-f798-3cd0-bc23-a946d36270d6) 2. uddi:oasis-open.org:committees:keygenerator (derived key: uuid:61c808e5-8159-348a-9ab1-b0df93de48d3) 3. uddi:oasis-open.org:committees:uddi-spec:keygenerator (derived key: uuid:6852eca3-bcb2-3f32-b168-ca6c83d848c8) 4. uddi:oasis-open.org:committees:wsrp:keygenerator (derived key: uuid:c906ae88-26d0-33ec-9a41-861a4f35d108) Based on this I've prepared the list of keygenerator tModels that we should register - see attached. 3. We get one of the operators to register the following tModels - I propose IBM but will let Claus/Andrew/Rob to figure out who should publish (and maintain the source file). 4. We post these keygenerators at http://uddi.org/tmodels.html Once we settle on this, we'll get approval from the TC and inform OASIS of the plan. Luc From: John Colgrave [mailto:colgrave@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 09:21 To: luc.clement@systinet.com Subject: OASIS keyGenerator Luc, There was an e-mail discussion about six months ago regarding registering a keyGenerator for OASIS, with a key of uddi:oasis-open.org:keyGenerator. Has any progress been made with this? The WSRP folks are getting close to defining their keys and I imagine we will have to have this OASIS keyGenerator tModel in place first. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------- John Colgrave Architect, IBM WebSphere UDDI Registry[attachment "OASIS-keyGenerator-tModels.xml" deleted by Richard Jacob/Germany/IBM] To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrp-pfb/members/leave_workgrou p.php . 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