RE: [ws-rx] New Issue: Harmonization of Line Numbers accross PDF, DOC versions of working draft

["Paul Cotton" <pcotton@microsoft.com>]

When the WSS-TC recently published its public review documents for WSS
1.1 Mary McRae [marypmcrae@gmail.com] pointed out the following:

+++
Also, according to the TC Process that went into effect on 4/15, all
documents need to be made available in 3 formats: source files, PDF, and
HTML. 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#2.18 
+++

I think this means we will have to solve any line numbering problem
since we will want to deliver source files and PDF with consistent line
numbers.

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> Sent: August 18, 2005 12:10 PM
> To: Christopher B Ferris
> Cc: Doug Bunting; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] New Issue: Harmonization of Line Numbers accross
PDF,
> DOC versions of working draft
> 
> Thanks for the clarifications, Doug, Chris.
> 
> In light of using PDF as the normative source, the issue is withdrawn.
> 
> D
> 
> Christopher B Ferris wrote:
> 
> >The PDF was created from the OO .sxw, at least for the editor's
draft. I
> >would suggest that we
> >get a read from someone at Sun on whether the line numbers are
consistent
> >between the .sxw
> >and .pdf that OO generates. However, since the PDF was generated from
the
> >.sxw, it seems to me
> >that it would be inappropriate to expect that the line numbers would
> >necessarily match those
> >of the .doc.
> >
> >I created the PDF to permit those without OO to view the document.
> >
> >Possibly this will clear up some of the confusion. In general, I
don't
> >think that this is an
> >issue with which we should be overly concerned .
> >
> >Duane, please don't upload the PDF.
> >
> >All, please don't use the .doc version as it isn't the normative
source.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Christopher Ferris
> >STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
> >email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> >blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html
> >phone: +1 508 377 9295
> >
> >Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> wrote on 08/17/2005 10:27:29 PM:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Doug:
> >>
> >>I just fixed the PDF (I can upload it to Kavi separately if someone
> >>wants).  When Adobe Acrobat distills a PDF, it merely copies the
line
> >>numbers from the word doc.  The process is fool proof (even I, a
lowly
> >>Adobe standards guy can manage to operate it ;-).  The PDF on the
site
> >>was probably made from a different *.doc than the one currently on
the
> >>site.  I am not sure about the Open Office Doc.  Maybe someone else
can
> >>comment on that. If it cannot ensure consistent line numbers with
the
> >>other docs, we are creating a problem for ourselves and the audience
of
> >>this spec as we go forward.
> >>
> >>The issue before the TC is whether or not we:
> >>
> >>1. replace the PDF now with the one with correct line numbers and
ask
> >>all issue owners to make sure their line numbers in their issues are
> >>matching the line numbers in both the PDF and Doc files;
> >>
> >>2. leave the PDF up as it is and ask all issue owners to qualify
their
> >>line numbers with the exact document version they referenced, then
make
> >>sure the next editors revision has consistent line numbers.
> >>
> >>I have created a new PDF but will not upload it until I have
> >>clarification.  This really should be a non-issue since it is
trivial
> >>but does need to be resolved. I am assuming that the next version
will
> >>not have the same line numbering mismatch (at least not between the
Doc
> >>and PDF versions).
> >>
> >>Duane
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Doug Bunting wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Duane,
> >>>
> >>>Could you provide some idea how you propose to see this problem
> >>>fixed?  Line numbers depend upon little things like page width and,
> >>>therefore, printers and printer drivers.  PDF files have the nice
> >>>feature of laying the text out once and scaling the entire page to
fit
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>the space on a printed sheet.
> >>>
> >>>I propose we close this issue with no action.  We as a group should
> >>>remember to treat line numbers in the available PDF files (and they
> >>>should always be available) as normative.
> >>>
> >>>thanx,
> >>>   doug
> >>>
> >>>On 17/08/05 15:05, Duane Nickull wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Title: Line Numbering Consistency
> >>>>
> >>>>Description: I noticed that the line numbers in the working draft
are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>not consistent upon different serializations of the same version
of
> >>>>the WD.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/13454/WS-
> Reliable%20Messaging-01-draft-01.doc
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/13493/WS-
> ReliableMessaging-v1.0-wd-01.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>These two vary at at least one place (line 502 to 550).
> >>>>
> >>>>I have not read the *.sxw version to see if it is consistent.
> >>>>
> >>>>Related Issues: any that reference line numbers of the working
draft
> >>>>without specifying if they mean the *.PDF or *.doc
> >>>>
> >>>>Origin: Duane Nickull
> >>>>
> >>>>Owner: Duane Nickull
> >>>>
> >>>>Proposal:
> >>>>
> >>>>for now: All references to include the document format as well to
be
> >>>>specific
> >>>>
> >>>>for later: editors to fix in next version of WD.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >