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Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 82 - Proposal for Vote


That is the purpose of the opaque attributes. They would allow one to 
explicitly say "I'm not providing this information". Hence why I refer 
to the schema as an extension of the executable schema, it's not identical.

Trickovic, Ivana wrote:
> Yaron,
> 
> I do not believe that #4 makes sense: some details, e.g. input/output variables, 
> are mandatory for executable processes and are optional for abstract processes. 
> So, using the schema of executable processes for syntactic validation would not 
> work.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ivana
> 
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com]
>  > Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 2004 05:04
>  > To: Martin Chapman
>  > Cc: rkhalaf@watson.ibm.com; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
>  > Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 82 - Proposal for Vote
>  >
>  >
>  > I think Martin's thinking is exactly right. If we are to
>  > remove features
>  > from Abstract processes then we can only do so if we have use cases
>  > which clearly define why these features MUST NOT be
>  > available. However
>  > such use cases will inevitably mean enabling one set of use
>  > cases at the
>  > cost of disabling another set. We have already tried going down that
>  > road and it ended up leading no where.
>  >
>  > I believe we should adopt Peter's proposal. My understanding of his
>  > proposal is that an abstract process is a process that is:
>  >
>  > 1) Superset - a superset of executable processes, that is,
>  > all features
>  > and functionality available in executable processes are available in
>  > abstract processes.
>  >
>  > 2) Abstract - marked as an abstract process. The act of marking the
>  > process indicates that the process semantics are not intended to be
>  > considered 'complete' in terms of being a self contained executable
>  > program. Exactly how far from 'complete' the semantics are is
>  > decided on
>  > a case-by-case basis and out of scope for BPEL.
>  >
>  > 3) Opaque - allowed to contain opaque elements/attributes.
>  >
>  > 4) Complete - required to be syntactically valid using the executable
>  > schema extended with the opaque element/attribute.
>  >
>  >       Yaron
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Martin Chapman wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > During the Abstract BPEL Sub group meetings I noted that
>  > what might be
>  > > excluded to support one
>  > > use case might not be excluded for another, and that defining that
>  > > single dividing line that makes sense to all use cases
>  > might take us for
>  > > ever to define and not really result in much!
>  > >
>  > > Martin.
>  > >
>  > >  >-----Original Message-----
>  > >  >From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com]
>  > >  >Sent: 11 October 2004 23:59
>  > >  >To: rkhalaf@watson.ibm.com
>  > >  >Cc: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
>  > >  >Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 82 - Proposal for Vote
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >I like the general direction the text is going in but there is one
>  > >  >particular issue that still worries me - why are abstract
>  > >  >processes not
>  > >  >a proper superset in functionality of executable processes?
>  > >  >
>  > >  >Imagine a company is using an abstract process as a
>  > template. Part of
>  > >  >the template is fully defined to provide a complete
>  > description of a
>  > >  >particular operation but the rest of the process is
>  > defined with less
>  > >  >detail. For the detailed section it is necessary to use a
>  > query string
>  > >  >on a from to indicate exactly which part of a source variable
>  > >  >should be
>  > >  >assigned to a destination.
>  > >  >
>  > >  >Currently the previous use case is impossible in BPEL
>  > because query
>  > >  >strings on from-specs are reserved for executable
>  > processes. Therefore
>  > >  >abstract processes do not have the same expressive power
>  > as executable
>  > >  >processes.
>  > >  >
>  > >  >For issue 82 to be resolved it is necessary for abstract
>  > >  >processes to be
>  > >  >well enough defined that it becomes obvious why limitations
>  > >  >such as the
>  > >  >query string restriction are necessary to meet the goals
>  > of abstract
>  > >  >processes. Yet no such description is provided below.
>  > Could you please
>  > >  >clarify this issue?
>  > >  >
>  > >  >       Thanks,
>  > >  >
>  > >  >               Yaron
>  > >  >
>  > >  >rkhalaf wrote:
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> In this proposal, we clarify abstract processes as requested
>  > >  >by Issue
>  > >  >> 82. The spec should reflect these clarifications to abstract
>  > >  >processes
>  > >  >> throughout its text.
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> --------
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> A BPEL abstract process defines the publicly visible
>  > behavior of the
>  > >  >> services it offers (all "myRole" in its partnerLinks), of course
>  > >  >> including its interactions along its partnerLinks with other
>  > >  >services.
>  > >  >> Abstract processes serve a descriptive role. They can
>  > be viewed as
>  > >  >> partially specified processes that are typically not
>  > intended to be
>  > >  >> executed. They are partially specified in that they are
>  > capable of
>  > >  >> abstracting away operational details. An abstract BPEL
>  > >  >process must be
>  > >  >> declared abstract by setting the abstractProcess
>  > attribute to “yes”.
>  > >  >> Operational details may be abstracted away either through
>  > >  >the omission
>  > >  >> of specific BPEL elements or attributes listed in the
>  > specification,
>  > >  >> or through the use of opaque tokens. Aside from these
>  > factors, they
>  > >  >> are well-formed process following the structure and
>  > restrictions in
>  > >  >> the specification regarding the process definition and the
>  > >  >constructs
>  > >  >> used.
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> Semantics of Abstract Processes:
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> A.       Although it might contain complete information
>  > that would
>  > >  >> render it
>  > >  >> executable if the abstractProcess=”yes” attribute were
>  > >  >changed to “no”
>  > >  >> for executable BPEL, its abstract status states that
>  > any concrete
>  > >  >> realizations of it may perform additional processing
>  > steps that are
>  > >  >> not relevant to the audience to which it has been given.
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> B.      Abstract processes permit the use of nearly all of the
>  > >  >> constructs of
>  > >  >> executable processes.  Thus there is no fundamental
>  > expressive power
>  > >  >> distinction between abstract and executable processes.
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> C.      An abstract process may omit certain details that
>  > >  >are mandatory for
>  > >  >> BPEL executable processes. However, the semantics of
>  > the constructs
>  > >  >> used in such a process is exactly the same as their
>  > semantics in the
>  > >  >> executable context. An abstract process must comply
>  > with the syntax
>  > >  >> and semantics of the specification.  The syntactic
>  > elements that can
>  > >  >> be omitted in abstract processes where this would not be
>  > >  >permitted in
>  > >  >> executable processes are currently:
>  > >  >> -       Those listed in the “extensions for executable
>  > processes”
>  > >  >> section of
>  > >  >> the specification.
>  > >  >> -       inputVariable/outputVariable/variable on
>  > invoke, receive,
>  > >  >> onMessage,
>  > >  >> and reply.
>  > >  >> -       An initiating receive activity (pending resolution
>  > >  >of issue 99).
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> D.      Abstract processes may include special
>  > syntactic extensions
>  > >  >> (“opaque”
>  > >  >> entities of various kinds) that should be replaced with concrete
>  > >  >> entities  in any executable artifact that complies with
>  > an abstract
>  > >  >> process using such opaque entities. Which opaque entities are
>  > >  >> permitted is the scope of issue 107.
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> E. Abstract processes say nothing about *how* concrete,
>  > executable
>  > >  >> realizations of them should be implemented (ie:
>  > language, platform,
>  > >  >> etc) . (analogy to WSDL).
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> F. Multiple abstract processes together may be created
>  > to define a
>  > >  >> global view of a multi-party business protocol.
>  > However, the way in
>  > >  >> which they may be wired together (connecting
>  > partnerLinks a la WSFL
>  > >  >> global models) is out of scope of BPEL itself.
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >>
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