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Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation-- Please Forward as Appropriate]
I just realized, that Tuesday July 15 is the date for our WSRM conference call from 2:30 to 4:30 Pacific time. Tom Rutt \ Doug Bunting wrote: > Colleen, > > If specifications are separated appropriately, separate and > independent development should be straight-forward. Are you saying > Microsoft has done a poor job architecting GXA? Composability of the > results and broad involvement in specification development should not > be contradictory aims. Besides all that, one of the main enemies of > interoperability is competitive specifications. > > Sun strongly agrees with the points Magdolna and Alan have already > raised. If WS-ReliableMessaging, unlike at least BPEL4WS and > WS-Security, cannot be brought forward without the rest of the > architecture you are developing, fine. Please submit the whole ball > of wax to this or another standards venue. We believe specifications > need to be publicly and openly discussed and improved before they are > designated as standards. > > thanx, > doug > > On 07-Jul-03 07:22, Tom Rutt wrote: > >> I forward this from Colleen Evans, from Microsoft. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> FW: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation -- >> Please Forward as Appropriate >> From: >> "Colleen Evans" <coevans@microsoft.com> >> Date: >> Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:18:30 -0700 >> To: >> "Tom Rutt" <tom@coastin.com>, "Doug Bunting" <doug.bunting@Sun.com> >> >> >> Hi Tom and Doug, >> >> I received a reject from the TC list (only contributing members may >> post). As I believe Magdolna and Alan are both out of the office, >> could one of you please forward this to the list? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Colleen >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Colleen Evans >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:08 PM >> *To:* 'Alan Weissberger'; magdolna.gerendai@nokia.com >> *Cc:* wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org; Felipe Cabrera >> *Subject:* RE: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop >> Invitation -- Please Forward as Appropriate >> >> >> >> Magdolna and Alan, >> >> >> >> We are soliciting technical input that relates to improving technical >> aspects such as the performance, simplicity, robustness and >> composability of the WS-ReliableMessaging specification. >> >> >> A core requirement that drives the WS-ReliableMessaging specification >> is maintaining architectural cohesion within the specification and in >> relation to other web services specifications (WS-Security, Policy, >> and so on) and composability with other specifications that describe >> assurances (e.g. WS-Transactions). It is therefore very hard to >> proceed on final design of any one particular specification without >> commensurate progress on the others. Separating this specification’s >> process from the other Web Services specifications it composes with >> would harm the goals of composability and architectural coherence. A >> litmus test for the web services architecture is /bone fide/ >> interoperability and composability demonstrated between various >> implementations from several vendors. >> >> >> The authors have organized this workshop to solicit public input and >> discussion on these specifications while they are early in their >> development. We believe that specifications need to demonstrate >> their value before it is appropriate to consider designating them a >> standard. Successful workshops with community input facilitate >> reaching the interoperability and composability target needed to >> assure that these specifications meet their goals. As the >> specification matures and this extent of interoperability has been >> demonstrated, the authors will decide on the appropriate relation to >> standards organizations and/or any other specification efforts. >> >> >> >> Colleen >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Alan Weissberger [mailto:ajwdct@technologist.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2003 9:27 AM >> *To:* magdolna.gerendai@nokia.com; Colleen Evans >> *Cc:* wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org; Felipe Cabrera >> *Subject:* Re: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop >> Invitation -- Please Forward as Appropriate >> >> >> >> Colleen >> >> What standards body are you planning to take your revised spec to? >> As far as I know, OASIS is the only appropriate standards body for >> this work. >> >> As I mentioned to you today, not only is the WS-RM TC open, but we >> ARE NOT about to rubber stamp the spec that was brought in to >> initiate the TC. >> The WS-RM TC members have spent all our time and efforts on >> establishing functional requirements. These will be incorporate into >> the spec (with additions and deletions), as agreed. For example, on >> last week's telecon we got rid of Message ID, as it was considered to >> be redundant with Group ID/Sequence number as a unique identifier. >> >> At GGF8 in Seattle, I talked to Felipe Cabrera of Microsoft about >> participating in the WS-RM TC. He was not very receptive and told me >> to read your spec, as it was clearly superior. >> >> My opinion is that competing specs are harmful to the industry. It >> would be great if the two WS RM'g specs could be consolidated/ merged >> to incorporate the best features of both. This could take place in >> the WS-RM TC if Microsoft and the other authors decided to participate. >> >> I will attend your workshop on July 15, but will not offer any >> opinions or suggestions on how Microsoft and other authors should >> progress the work on Reliable Messaging.. >> >> >> Sincerely >> >> >> >> alan >> >> Alan Weissberger >> >> Technical Consultant- NEC >> 2013 Acacia Ct >> >> Santa Clara, CA 95050-3482 >> >> 1 408 863 6042 voice >> >> 1 408 863 6099 fax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:13:22 +0200 >> To: >> Subject: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation -- >> Please Forward as Appropriate >> >> Hi Colleen, >> >> >> >> I'm a bit surprised. And have a question based on the quote from the >> document you sent: >> >> " >> >> The authors of the Specification intend to submit a revised version >> of the Specification to a standards body with a commitment to grant a >> royalty-free license to their necessary patents. We need assurance >> that your feedback and discussions are consistent with that goal. >> >> " >> >> Why don't they join to the OASIS WS-RM TC to work on ONE >> WS-Reliability standard instead of going to standardize another one ? >> The OASIS WS-RM TC is open. >> >> >> >> br, >> >> Magdolna >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* ext Colleen Evans [mailto:coevans@microsoft.com] >> *Sent:* July 03,2003 3:46 >> *Subject:* WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation -- Please >> Forward as Appropriate >> >> The authors of the recently-published WS-ReliableMessaging >> specification are hosting a 1-day meeting on July 15, 2003, 9am to >> 5pm, to discuss this specification. This meeting will be held in >> Building 21, Columbia conference room on the Microsoft campus in >> Redmond, WA. >> >> >> >> This is an ad-hoc, open forum for 1) *SPECIFICATION AUTHORS* to share >> background information on the design of the specifications and to >> receive feedback and 2) *SOFTWARE VENDORS* to discuss their ideas >> about the practicality of implementing these and related Web Services >> specifications. >> >> >> >> We'd like this to be an open meeting and collect a broad range of >> ideas. If you are interested in participating in the discussions, >> please reply to this mail by *EOD 11 July 2003*. Feel free to pass >> this invitation along to other potential participants, either in your >> company or elsewhere. >> >> >> >> Note that in order to attend, the attached legal agreement MUST be >> signed by each attendee. >> >> >> Thank you and we look forward to seeing you soon. >> >> >> >> Colleen Evans >> >> XML Web Services Standards >> Microsoft Corporation >> 303 791-3090 or 425 703-9066 >> Mobile: 720 480-3919 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> You may leave a Technical Committee at any time by visiting >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/members/leave_workgroup.php > > > > You may leave a Technical Committee at any time by visiting > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/members/leave_workgroup.php > -- ---------------------------------------------------- Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@fsw.fujitsu.com Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133
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