DITA Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 17 July 2007 Recorded by Alan Houser The DITA Technical Committee met on Tuesday, 17 July 2007 at 08:00am PT for 60 minutes. * Roll call We have quorum. * Approve minutes from previous business meeting http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/24633/DITA_TC.10.July.07.txt Minutes approved by acclamation. Business: 1. ITEM: Dependency sorting for 1.2 Requirements (ongoing) * http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA_Specification_1.2_Requirements 2. ITEM: Completed proposals posted this week, for discussion and possible voting * #1235 - generic collation element (Pickett) * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=24536&wg_abbrev=dita (source) * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/24568/dita-proposal-collation- newtemplate.html * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200707/msg00006.html (discussion) Alan Houser -- Discussed in 10-July-2007 TC meeting. TC concensus: Defer until constraints proposal. Michael Priestley -- constraints proposal (12035) depends on "domain and topic" proposal (12010) JoAnn Hackos -- Some W3C ITS working group members (e.g., Felix Sasaki) may comment from a localization (Japanese) perspective. JoAnn will contact. Don suggestion -- ask Deborah Pickett to provide roll-up to TC list regarding other discussions. TC recommends that Japanese use case is reflected in proposal. * #12018 - Create elements for translatable attributes * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200707/msg00026.html (email) * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/24592/IssueNumber12018.html Robert Anderson -- Summary: Translation subcommittee is interested in translatable attributes. Many editors don’t deal well with attrs. Goal is to create elements for all attrs that contain translatable text. Ultimately deprecate those attrs. Examples: - title attr on map. Easy to make title child of reltable. - navtitle -- move to first child of topicref. navtitle no longer required on topichead. Move to first child of topicmeta. Required would not be backwards compatible. Processors would need to catch and warn. - reftitle attr on longquote. Same semantics as cite element. Proposal cite inside longquote performs same function as reftitle. - New standby element as optional child of object. Was originally proposed for 1.1, but deferred. Hackos -- What about vrm elements? Needed to support translatable dates. MP -- In IBM, vrm is three-part numbering scheme to identify product. Not designed/intended to contain dates. Examples that show this would be erroneous. Don Day -- Dates can express date, concurrency (?), time. More of a data typing issue than a translatability issue. Can possibly rely on W3C Schema data typing in the future to enforce this. DD -- Dates wouldn’t be considered translatable. Localizable, yes. MP/RDA -- Examples in DITA 1.1 spec incorrect. JH -- Spec says y/m/d is the format. Examples don’t reflect this. DD -- Spec should specify format; tools should enforce to ensure ease of localization. JH -- List of localizable elements and attributes would be helpful. -- MP -- longquote (lq) scope and format attributes. We also have reftitle attr. Would put some info for referencing in one place; some in another. Should we revisit this? Should try to combine the two. Indended behavior -- lq with citation (e.g., title of work w/hypertext link). Old implementation -- could slap href w/reftitle. Rendered w/lq. Paul Grosso -- We’re talking about metadata for the lq. MP -- yes -- "where did I come from?". href elements should be consistent across elements that use href. label (title) of reference should be part of referencing element, along with referencing attribute. MP will propose longquoteref element inside lq, longdescref element in . MP would likely deprecate href on lq. TC Concensus: MP will include in 12050a. Michael Gannon -- What about "standby" attr on object? RDA -- This comes from HTML. Perhaps not a big issue as-is. Motion: accept 12018 w/lq removed. MP seconds Approved by acclamation * #1250 updates - Analysis of DITA href, format, scope, and type attributes * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200707/msg00025.html RDA proposes to approve final draft MP seconds Approved by acclamation 3. ITEM: Schedule and spreadsheet for remaining items (Jen Linton) Jen distributed spreadsheet to owners and champions, requesting dates for discussion. Currently nothing lined up for 24 July meeting. Please respond if you haven’t already. Don -- Would like to schedule proposals for completion in September timeframe. March approval. Jen -- call for others to pick up Eliot Kimber’s proposals, pending his return to the TC. MP -- volunteer to pick up keyref Jen -- Also 12042, 12043, 12048 are available from Eliot.