Attendance
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William Cox |
BEA |
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Graeme Riddell |
Bowstreet |
Y |
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Greg Giles |
Cisco |
Y |
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Srinivas Vadhri |
Commerce One |
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Kirk Wilson |
Computer Associates |
Y |
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Sean Fitts |
Crossweave |
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Timothy N. Jones |
Crossweave |
Y |
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Peter Quintas |
Divine |
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Sandra Swearingen |
DoD |
Y |
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Monica Martin |
Drake Certivo |
Y |
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Alan Kropp |
Epicentric |
Y |
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Patel Ashish |
France Telecom |
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Aditi Karandikar |
France Telecom |
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Royston Sellman |
HP |
Y |
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Eric van Lyndegraf |
Kinzan |
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Charles Wiecha |
IBM (chair) |
Y |
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Dan Gisolfi |
IBM |
Y |
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Ravi Konuru |
IBM |
Y |
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Rich Thompson |
IBM |
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Shankar Ramaswamy |
IBM |
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T.V. Raman |
IBM |
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Rex Brooks |
individual |
Y |
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John Kneiling |
individual |
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Kevin Brinkley |
Intel |
Y |
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Michael Mahan |
Nokia |
represented by Peter Arberson |
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Martin Chapman |
Oracle |
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Terry Cline |
Peregrine Systems |
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Sasha Aicken |
Plumtree |
Y |
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Stefan Beck |
SAP |
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Howard Melman |
Silverstream |
Y |
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Jeffrey C. Broberg |
Silverstream |
Y |
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Suresh Damodaran |
Sterling Commerce |
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Eilon Reshef |
WebCollage |
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Gil Tayar |
WebCollage |
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Agenda
1.
Roll call and minutes
2.
F2F logistics and proposed agenda (to be distributed)
3.
WSRP/WSIA joint interfaces subcommittee status
4.
Customization subcommittee status
5.
Requirements document status
6.
Glossary
7. Update on status of IP disclosures
Meeting
12:00
roll call
12:05
review of minutes and actions from last
meeting.
12:10
F2F logisitics
Draft agenda
is on the email list. Wednesday (WSRP/WSIA joint interfaces day) is open to
anyone from either committee who wishes to attend, it should allow drilldown on
the relationships between the two groups.
Probably need
to do more work understanding relationship of WSIA to Joint Interfaces and
Embedded. Need to look at Carstenâs doc to see how the WSRP understanding
relates to ours. There are 4 docs relevant to this ö 2 requirements docs + the
WSRP 1.0 interface spec + the 0.44 draft Joint Interfaces spec. The task is
probably bigger than just aligning interfaces, want to push some requirements
down into the Embedded case. So weâll aim to have doc walkthroughs prior to the
F2F. As editors, Jeff, Alan and Carsten are currently reviewing the joint
interfaces spec and the WSRP interface spec.
action ö all:
So 1 week from today will go through the latest joint interfaces spec,
and 2 weeks from today aim to go through the WSRP 1.0 spec.
Also need to
be considering commonality with the Coordinated case, eg property management
protocol. WSRP has just been discussing the Administrator interface, we should
look at the idea of runtime properties for that too.
IBM have
released an alphaworks implementation of the WSXL position paper.
12:15
Glossary, Jeff.
Monica raised
a question in email, as to whether it was proper to have dropped some possibly
relevant security terms from the glossary. Accepted that we didnât want it to
turn into an OASIS glossary, but where terms used in WSIA might differ or carry
more specific meaning from general understanding we should probably keep them
in the glossary for clarity.
Rex, Dan and
Monica volunteered to help out with the glossary, reviewing/adding terms.
12:20
Joint interfaces status, Alan.
0.44 spec in
circulation from Rich. Reminder that Joint Interfaces group telecon occurs
Tuesdays at 12:00 EST. Itâs getting to a good level of detail now.
Alan walked
through the doc at a high level.
- Raised
notion of transient and persistent entities ö transient pretty much synonymous
with with session info, key difference that the ăsessionä handle could be
shared across producers. In WSRP they may want to allow the container to hold
the session handle.
- Lifecycle:
Create entity, WSRP entity is the portlet. WSRP have templates, which are
persistent configurations of portlets, not yet on a page. Portlets are the
instances on the page, so the distinction between templates and instances is
whether they get assembled into a presentation. Not sure yet whether
onpage/offpage is a first-class distinction that can be applied across the
board. So some further discussion needed here.
Need to look
at how property values in WSRP and WSIA are handled. (Mainly design time in
WSRP). WSIA may be exposing the ămodelä via property values, and WSRP focused
more on the ăviewä via design time property setting. Maybe WSRP is not far
enough along in its deliberations to have not seen the need for runtime
property setting, or maybe portal apps function differently from WSIA, not
really requiring runtime property setting.
action: Alan -
probably missing from the doc is the mechanism to piggyback property values on
getMarkup() calls. Might get back property changes along with the markup too.
Needs adding. Itâs there in perfomAction, but not in getFragment().
Where next? ö
waiting on WSRP commentary. Mike Friedman circulated requirements and a couple
of different models for the portlet lifecycle, thatâs for next Tuesdayâs
discussion.
12:40
Customization, Tim
Have produced
doc of usage scenarios. Since last F2F have been sketching out high level
protocol, now about half-way through. Aim to wrap it up for the F2F and get
into Technical Requirements after the F2F. Minutes from the subcommitee have
been sent out, along with usage scenarios and a ppt of an XForms architectural
approach.
Currently
wrestling with issue of ăsimplicityä of architecture ö Can we have a ăblack
boxä approach where properties can be set on the producer outside of the
consumer-producer messaging, or do we have to get into monitoring the
invocations and interject values. The last subcommittee action was to compare
these approaches and also review the WebCollage IWS callback mechanism.
Customization
seems to bleed over into Coordination in the ăLiveIndyä (Sports Portal
scenario) where multiple producers are being invoked. Reinforces the need for
looking at both together.
12:55
Other stuff, Charlie
Rich has been
adding into the requirements doc based on email conversations.
action: all ö
Original plan was to turn in IP disclosures at the F2F. That would probably
still be ok, but preferably send in advance (asac) to Charlie and copy Karl
Best.
action: all ö
Looking for a volunteer for Secretary to take over from Graeme, probably
starting with minute taking at the next meetings leading into the F2F. Apply to
Charlie.
1:00
adjourn