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Subject: Re: [unitsml] UNITSML discussion: WSDL conversion services


Bob and Peter

This message is intended to be part of the "asynchronous" part of the  
August UnitsML discussion.

I am in agreement that keeping things simple this first time around is  
the best way.

This is Stuart Chalk and I approve this email ;)


On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Bob Dragoset wrote:

> All & Stuart,
>
> This message is intended to be part of the "asynchronous" part of  
> the August UnitsML discussion.
>
> I agree with you Peter, for two primary reasons:
>
> 1) Each WSDL service is required to include information regarding  
> how to access the service; e.g., required and optional input  
> parameters, format for both input and output parameters, etc. I'm  
> not an expert in WSDL services, but I don't see the advantage of  
> allowing the user to include the instructional information (provided  
> by the WSDL service) in the UnitsML portion of an instance document.
>
> 2) As far as I'm aware, we have not included numeric values in the  
> UnitsML portion of an instance document; the numeric values of a  
> quantity would be handled elsewhere in the instance document. For  
> example, in the Float64ConversionFrom element using the conversion  
> equation y = d + ((b / c) (x + a)), we include the factors a, b, c,  
> & d, but not the initial value, x (nor do we calculate the final  
> value, y). I think calculations such as these or those provided by a  
> WSDL service should be handled outside of the UnitsML portion.
>
> Stuart,
> Since you recommended the WSDL addition to the UnitsML Schema, do  
> you have any comments about these statements?
>
> Bob Dragoset
>
> PS: I sent this email to the OASIS UnitsML email list, but also to  
> Stuart directly because I received a message from OASIS stating that  
> they were having problems with receiving email and I wanted to post  
> this for Stuart to see during the asynchronous portion of the  
> meeting. If the problem with OASIS persists, I may extend the  
> asynchronous portion of the meeting.
>
> At 07:21 PM 8/22/2008, Peter J. Linstrom wrote:
>> All,
>>
>>  This message is intended to be part of the "asynchronous"
>> part of the August UnitsML discussion.
>>
>>  During the August 13 meeting we briefly discussed the
>> "WSDLConversionFrom" element. This element is intended to
>> be a reference to on-line services which can provide unit
>> conversions. I believe the simplest way to handle this
>> is to simply point to a WSDL file which describes the
>> resource. This would mean that the amount of information
>> which would need to be stored in the element would be
>> minimized. Specifically I believe that only the following
>> would need to be stored:
>>
>> 1.) Identifier for source unit.
>> 2.) Comment describing the service.
>> 3.) URL for the appropriate WSDL file.
>>
>> This has the advantage of being simple and robust with
>> respect to different types of services (since all of the
>> information is in the WSDL file). However this approach
>> has some drawbacks:
>>
>> * There is no way to map unit names to parameter
>> values in the WSDL service (if the service requires
>> this information).
>> * There is no information about the format in which
>> values are provided and returned.
>> * There is no information about the accuracy of the
>> conversion.
>>
>> Since this is version 1 of UnitsML I do not think these
>> drawbacks (which could be addressed in later versions)
>> outweigh the value of recording WSDL service information.
>>
>>  I would greatly appreciate any input that others
>> on the committee may have on this issue.
>>
>> Peter Linstrom
>>
>> ================================================
>> Peter J. Linstrom
>> NIST, Physical and Chemical Properties Division
>> Phone: (301) 975-5422
>> ================================================
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <carlisle@nist.gov>
>> To: <unitsml@lists.oasis-open.org>
>> Cc: <Robin.Barker@npl.co.uk>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:32 AM
>> Subject: [unitsml] Groups - Teleconference Minutes for Aug 13-27,  
>> 2008, Meeting (telecon20080813.pdf) uploaded
>>
>>
>>> Audio from the Aug 13 teleconference is available at:
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29043/20080813_8kbps.wma
>>>
>>> and, in higher quality, at:
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29044/20080813_32kbps.mp3
>>>
>>> -- Mr. Mark Carlisle
>>>
>>> The document named Teleconference Minutes for Aug 13-27, 2008,  
>>> Meeting
>>> (telecon20080813.pdf) has been submitted by Mr. Mark Carlisle to  
>>> the OASIS
>>> UnitsML TC document repository.
>>>
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