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Subject: FW: [wsdm] questions about WSDM
Forwarding to list as per Bob's request Kirk Wilson, Ph.D. Architect, Development CA Labs / IP&S 603 823-7146 -----Original Message----- From: Natale, Bob [mailto:RNATALE@mitre.org] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:08 AM To: Wilson, Kirk D; uswinter@sina.com Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [wsdm] questions about WSDM Hi Kirk, Thanks for the follow-up. And referring back to the part of Winter's original question about the distributed nature of WSDM, to which you gave the primary response, I would also suggest that WSDM's coverage of both manageability endpoints and (via MOWS) managed endpoints is another dimension of "distributed management" supported by the specs. [Btw, I am only an Observer in the TC, not a Member...so my responses don't get distributed to the list. If you can either respond or fwd this to list, I'd appreciate it. If you feel it's unnecessary traffic, I'll accept that judgment too.] Cheers, BobN Principal Engineer, GIG NetOps Enterprise Services Systems Engineering www.mitre.org -----Original Message----- From: Wilson, Kirk D [mailto:Kirk.Wilson@ca.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:55 AM To: Natale, Bob; uswinter@sina.com Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [wsdm] questions about WSDM Of course, you're right Bob (and somewhat embarrassing that I should not mention it :-) ). But it is kind of a special operation since it is not an operation that attaches to the manageability endpoint of a Web service but the managed endpoint. (That gets a bit technical--but you are right that there is GetManageabilityReferences operation that is also defined in the WSDM spec taken as a whole, and not must MUWS.) Kirk Wilson, Ph.D. Architect, Development CA Labs / IP&S 603 823-7146 -----Original Message----- From: Natale, Bob [mailto:RNATALE@mitre.org] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:46 AM To: Wilson, Kirk D; uswinter@sina.com Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [wsdm] questions about WSDM Hi Kirk, Concerning your comment in #2 that "WSDM defines only one operation on its own: QueryRelationshipsByType": What about the GetManageabilityReferences operation defined in MOWS (5.1.1.1.1)? Cheers, BobN Principal Engineer, GIG NetOps Enterprise Services Systems Engineering www.mitre.org -----Original Message----- From: Wilson, Kirk D [mailto:Kirk.Wilson@ca.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:35 AM To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [wsdm] questions about WSDM Answers to the individual's questions. 1. WSDM builds on WSRF. What WSDM adds to WSRF is the notion of *managing* the resources that are exposed via WSRF. It addresses how resources (WS-Resources) should expose their manageability in terms of a set of capabilities, or ways in which they can be managed, which the WSDM specification defines. 2. WSDM uses the base WSRF operations to retrieve/update resource properties--notice that the WSDM WSDL imports the WSRF WSDL and references the operations defined in the WSRF WSDL. WSDM defines only one operation on its own: QueryRelationshipsByType. Otherwise WSDM defines resource properties and events (associated with the manageability capabilities) above and beyond WSRF. Notice that WSRF-RP does not define ANY properties on its own: it just tells you how to represent whatever properties the resource has, but gives you the operations for retrieving/updating properties. 3. Because WSDM is a Web service protocol (defines message exchange patterns that take place through Web service), the producers and consumers of these Web services may be widely distributed throughout an enterprise, throughout a country, etc. On behalf of the WSDM team, let me thank you for your interest in WSDM. I hope these brief answers help. Kirk Wilson, Ph.D. Architect, Development CA Labs / IP&S 603 823-7146 -----Original Message----- From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mary McRae Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:56 AM To: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [wsdm] questions about WSDM Hi everyone, This message was sent to our webmaster; would someone like to respond? Thanks! Mary ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: questions about WSDM Date: Friday 01 December 2006 10:50 am From: "Winter" <uswinter@sina.com> To: "webmaster" <webmaster@oasis-open.org> webmaster: Good evening. I am in China. I'm recently reading WSDM-specification and have some questions 1. What's the main difference between WSDM and WSRF? 2. Since WSRF has already define operations such as getproperty and setproperty... Does WSDM have its own operations? or on the other hand, it just defines a set of properties? 3. Why do we call "distributed" Management? I have not tell "distributed" in the content of WSDM. Thank you for your attention. I am expecting your reply. 致 礼! Winter uswinter@sina.com 2006-12-01 ------------------------------------------------------- -- Karen Cegalis Webmaster OASIS "Advancing E-Business Standards Since 1993" http://www.oasis-open.org (978) 667-5115 x 208
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