Meeting Minutes : 2003-01-23 : IRC meeting

Review and Publication: Bernard Vatant
Release: 2003-01-27.

Attendance
- Voting members: Bernard Vatant, Lars Marius Garshol, Steve Pepper, Peter Flynn, Mary Nishikawa, Michael Priestley, and Vivian Bliss. Jim Mason and Eamonn Neylon attended part of meeting only, due to connection problems.
- Prospective members: Eric Freese, Motomu Naito

Excused Members
Thomas Bandholtz, Holger Rath, Suellen Stringer-Hye, Don Smith, Patrick Durusau.

1. Agenda

This meeting is set mainly to try efficiency of IRC.
Otherwise, the agenda has a single formal point: organization of next F2F in London XML Europe(May 2003).

2. Setting of IRC working process

The meeting is quite slow to start, some members being late, and two more having connection problems. Peter Flynn is appointed as moderator, given his experience of IRC. At some point in the meeting, asking and distributing the floor seeming to slow too much the process, the meeting continues in non-moderated form. This seems to make everyone happy, and given the size and (relative) discipline of attendance, this form is agreed on for further meetings. Chair will only make necessary order interventions.

3. London meeting agenda

• From the experience of Baltimore TC meetings, it seems now preferable to have PubSubj meeting after XMLvoc and GeoLang meetings, since specific issues raised by the latter are now necessary input for general recommendations to proceed (Mary and Lars Marius remark, seconded by Steve)
• Proposal to have the three TC meetings on Friday May 9th, with the following schedule to be approved by XMLvoc and GeoLang: XMLvoc 9:00-11:00 ; GeoLang 11:00-13:00 ; PubSubj 14:00-16:00
• Eric will ask OASIS for room facilities, and his company Lexis-Nexis to sponsor call-in facilities for members who will not be in London (including himself)

4. Other business

• Next IRC meeting: TC work needs to be speeded up, so it's suggested by Mary, seconded by Lars Marius, Bernard and Steve, to hold IRC meetings every two weeks. Discussion about hour of meeting to fit people from California to Japan through Europe. Next meeting is scheduled for February 6th, 14:00 UTC.
• Current status of Deliverable 1: Steve expresses his difficulties in re-writing work - "it's like squeezing blood from a stone" - and apologizes for not having it achieved yet. Promises to make it by the beginning of next week. Remaining issues in this document, if any, will be pointed at and discussed during next IRC meeting.
• Future status of Deliverable 1: Bernard expresses his concerns about the status of Deliverable 1 once it is approved as a TC specification. Does the TC want to propose it as an OASIS standard, and/or propose it to ISO for integration in ISO 13250 "family of standards"?
  General consensus is on pushing it as an OASIS standard.
  Following clarification discussion on the border between TM specification (SAM) and PubSubj recommendations. The former defines the concepts, and the second how to use them - what happens when you dereference the subject identifier. So there is not much sense in pushing PubSubj recommendations back into ISO. Another argument for that is Published Subjects interest being wider in scope than strict topic maps applications, so PubSubj recommendations should not appear like trapped in the Topic Maps attractor.

7. Next meeting

• IRC meeting February 6th 14:00 UTC
  Agenda : remaining issues in Deliverable 1