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Subject: RE: [docbook-apps] oXygen 9 beta with WYSIWYG-like editing supportfor DocBook
Hi, My previous message was sent in parallel with some other responses and I'd like to make two points to some of them. Making clear that my opinions come from my real live experiences: 1) I agree with Elliotte that "too many icons spoil the soup" ;-). It's been proved that keying commands is faster (and more productive) than moving the mouse, no matter if it's for selecting a menu option or clicking an icon. 2) Javier, from my experience, people (at an organization) don't move from Word to "something else" because they find this new tool offers "something" better. If that were the case 90% of organizations would be using some kind of structured editing!! You have to really "push" "decision-makers" and "end-users" to do the "transition", mainly because most of the advantages for structure editing are long term (and for end-users is a short term head-ache!). Just an anecdote: I'm trying to convince my colleagues to move from LaTex (structured text) to DocBook. No way!! Regards, Pedro -----Mensaje original----- De: Javi [mailto:spanish@inicia.es] Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de octubre de 2007 10:54 CC: DocBook Apps Mailing List Asunto: Re: [docbook-apps] oXygen 9 beta with WYSIWYG-like editing supportfor DocBook Dave wrote: > For users used to M$ Word it is quite a transition. 'Leading' them > gently from bold and underline and italic to semantic markup should > be made as easy as possible, even if it upsets the hard line semantic > folks. Elliotte wrote: > However I do think that if the user just wants to do simple bolding > and italicizing of text, then they just want to do presentation-based, > non-semantic markup. And indeed they probably do want that, and that's > OK. But if so they should be using Word, not DocBook. I must totally agree with Elliotte. I do usually agree with Dave in most of his ideas, but not in this one. If someone wants to write a presentation-based document, DocBook is not a good selection. There are much better things for this (quark, pagemaker, even word or openoffice). There doesn't exist the right thing for everyone, the program everyone will use. I think, Dave, the idea is a change or perspective. You say, to make a gentle transition from Word to DocBook, let's make the markup less semantic so we come closer to Word. Let me give you another perspective. If someone is using Word and he thinks about using some other tool, it's because Word doesn't give him what he wants. If he chooses DocBook it will be due to it's semantic markup and the separation between presentation and structure. You can't then offer him a tool with the same options as his old one. I accept that oXygen people have a challenge, how to make this transition a gentle experience. But I don't think the way is to diminish the power of the tool and of the underlying model. Novel ideas and imagination will win in this task, don't get always the effortless way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-help@lists.oasis-open.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 02/10/2007 18:43 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 02/10/2007 18:43
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