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Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] oXygen 9 beta with WYSIWYG-like editing supportfor DocBook
Javi wrote: > Dave wrote: >> For users used to M$ Word it is quite a transition. 'Leading' them >> gently from bold and underline and italic to semantic markup should >> be made as easy as possible, even if it upsets the hard line semantic >> folks. > Elliotte wrote: >> However I do think that if the user just wants to do simple bolding >> and italicizing of text, then they just want to do presentation-based, >> non-semantic markup. And indeed they probably do want that, and that's >> OK. But if so they should be using Word, not DocBook. > I must totally agree with Elliotte. I do usually agree with Dave in most > of his ideas, but not in this one. If someone wants to write a > presentation-based document, DocBook is not a good selection. There are > much better things for this (quark, pagemaker, even word or openoffice). > There doesn't exist the right thing for everyone, the program everyone > will use. Yes... but I think the context of oXygen 9 is quite 'new'? The mode of working with O9(oXygen vsn 9) isn't a tags view of XML. In that respect it's trying to bridge the gap between what 'we' do and what the majority of the world do? Hence my cry for a little patience with new users? > > I think, Dave, the idea is a change or perspective. You say, to make a > gentle transition from Word to DocBook, let's make the markup less > semantic so we come closer to Word. > > Let me give you another perspective. If someone is using Word and he > thinks about using some other tool, it's because Word doesn't give him > what he wants. If he chooses DocBook it will be due to it's semantic > markup and the separation between presentation and structure. You can't > then offer him a tool with the same options as his old one. There may be others reasons (the big boss said so :-). No, not the same options. Just reducing the level of change? Try to make the transition a little easier? Pedro, later in this thread, notes the difficulty of transitioning from Word to XML. *Anything* that makes that a little easier is a big help in my opinion. > > I accept that oXygen people have a challenge, how to make this > transition a gentle experience. But I don't think the way is to diminish > the power of the tool and of the underlying model. I'm not sure how this will diminish the power of the tool? It's a bit of CSS, no more. Novel ideas and > imagination will win in this task, don't get always the effortless way. No, I think the users will have to use a lot of effort. (I also have seen lots of rebellion too!) regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT, XSL-FO and Docbook FAQ http://www.dpawson.co.uk
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