Re: [office] Agenda for ODF TC Teleconference, 13 November 2023

[Francis Cave <francis@franciscave.com>]

Hi Jamie

I spoke informally earlier today to Andrew Dryden of ISO, during a break in the JTC 1 meeting, and we briefly discussed the ODF 1.3 re-formatting issue. Re-formatting to A4 does seem to be a requirement, but the ODF TC discussed this on today's call, and we may have a solution that avoids excessive work by the editors: adjust page margins to compensate for the change in page dimensions. I'm aiming to discuss this informally with Andrew Dryden tomorrow, to determine whether ISO would be happy with our just changing the margins. The left and right margins are quite generous already, to allow for printing the Letter-format document to A4.

Assuming that ISO accept the margin changes, a potential further hurdle could be their request to provide the document in MS Word format, as this could disrupt the layout, despite our best efforts to compensate for the change in page dimensions. Again I'll check this out with Andrew Dryden.

So far as the next edition of ODF is concerned (ODF 1.4, which is at an advanced stage or preparation prior to entering the formal approval process), can you see any issues in our formatting the document for A4 from the outside, so as to avoid this problem in the future? It would mean that the next OASIS edition of ODF would be A4 rather than Letter format.

Incidentally, I also spoke briefly today with Norbert Bensalem, the PAS mentor for OASIS, and he is quite concerned about ISO creating new hurdles for PAS submitters to jump, such as the page format change, so this may come up in further discussions later this week.

Kind regards,

Francis

On 13/11/2023 17:15, Jamie Clark wrote:

Dear ODF team: We'd very much appreciate it if you would take a shot at the A4 conversion as offered: You are more likely to do it well and non disruptively, based on knowledge of the document. Thanks and regards Jamie

James Bryce Clark, General Counsel, OASIS Open, setting the standard for open collaborationÂ

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:10âAM Francis Cave <francis@franciscave.com> wrote:

Hi Svante

Under item 7 Patrick or I should perhaps also report on another request from ISO: to provide all ODF 1.3 documents as A4 documents. Patrick and I propose to re-format carefully, paying particular attention to page-breaks, but the TC should be made aware of this and have an opportunity to comment.

Kind regards,

Francis

PS I shall be in Berlin this week, but donât anticipate any difficulty in joining the call at 18:00 CET.

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On 12 Nov 2023, at 16:49, Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com> wrote:

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Greetings!

The agenda for our TC call on Monday, 2023-11-13

Time of meeting: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2023&month=11&day=13&hour=17&min=0&sec=0&p1=234&p2=25&p3=136&p4=37&p5=155

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1. Dial-In, Roll Call, Determination of Quorum and Voting Rights

2. Motion (simple majority): Approve the Agenda

3. Motion (simple majority): Approve minutes of 30 October 2023 - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202310/msg00043.html

4. Last week's review:
OFFICE-4129: Addition to style:vertical-rel Allow area above page content area
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4129

5. Last week's review:
JIRA Issue is really bad to track changes from the email list.
Is there an easier way to identify and check the changes (having some 4 eyes principle in an early manner).

6. Status of ODF 1.4 Release:
What is our roadmap of the ODF 1.4 release?

7. History of ISO ODF Releases:
ISO aims to publish ODF 1.3 and updated 4-part series in the coming months
But there is an inquiry of the ODF releases to be published:
Although an ODF edition was published in 2015, ISO still maintains a record of the original 2006 version. Â
Normally, once a revision of a standard is published, ISO typically withdraws the old edition.
Question:
Do we need the current, and past-but-one, versions available: Âthat is, 26300:2023 is newly published, 26300:2015 will remain, but 26300:2006 is obsolete?
Or is it sufficient to have only the latest version?

8. Open ISO ODF Releases:
Is it possible and should we ask for a non-profit release of our ISO ODF specifications?
ODF 1.0 - ISO/IEC 26300:2006 Â - CHF 208 - https://www.iso.org/standard/43485.html
ODF 1.2 - ISO/IEC 26300-1:2015 - CHF 208 - https://www.iso.org/standard/66363.html

9. Do we accept the following new feature and what will be the target:
OFFICE-4138: add source paragraph style to table of figures/objects/tables
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4138

10. Do we accept the following new feature and what will be the target:
OFFICE-4130: "use-slide-background" fill for shapes in legacy presentation formats
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4130
@Michael: What would be your reply to Regina's comment?

11. The query "project = OFFICE AND status = New AND fixVersion is EMPTY" shows 2 Features and 2 Tasks with 3 Subtasks
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20status%20%3D%20New%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20EMPTY
What shall we do with the tasks from that query?

12. The query "project = OFFICE AND fixVersion = ODF-Next AND proposal is not EMPTY" is likely our next working queue:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4098?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%20ODF-Next%20AND%20proposal%20is%20not%20EMPTY
OFFICE-4098: "Default values for draw:dots1-length and draw:dots2-length missing"

13. Adjournment.