Notes from 27 November 2023 - ODF TC Teleconference

[Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com>]

Svante: The agenda for our TC call on Monday, 2023-11-27:

1. Dial-In, Roll Call, Determination of Quorum and Voting Rights

2. Motion (simple majority): Approve the Agenda

3. Motion (simple majority): Approve minutes of 20 November 2023 - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202311/msg00031.html

4. Editor's work review: Update on ODF 1.4 editing progress sheet
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J4TDjF7T62oN9Afhz1OTA6ePOFcCGlgjBF9L2xdF47o

5. OFFICE-4098: Default values for draw:dots1-length and draw:dots2-length missing
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4098

6. OFFICE-3760: Spelling issue in part 2 2.4
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3760

7 . OFFICE-3475: not place to put RDF in flat ODF document
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3475

8. TC members are invited to pick an issue from our current working list
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4098?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%20ODF-Next%20AND%20proposal%20is%20not%20EMPTY
  and present it to the group!

9. Adjournment.

[18:05] Svante: 1. We have quorum

[18:05] Patrick: Svante, the holiday list - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202301/msg00005.html

[18:08] Svante: Before x-mas break, we should create a new holiday list 2024 and directly remove the dates from the OASIS TC calendar.
I have now removed the ODF TC meetings 25.12.2023 and 05.02.2024 from the OASIS ODF TC Calendar
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/calendar.php?month=01&year=2024

[18:08] Svante: 2. Agenda approved


[18:09] Svante: 3. Minutes approved



[18:13] Svante: 4. Editor's work review: Update on ODF 1.4 editing progress sheet
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J4TDjF7T62oN9Afhz1OTA6ePOFcCGlgjBF9L2xdF47o

[18:14] Svante: All ODF members will get access to comment on the editor's spreadsheet

[18:15] Svante: https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.4-part4-formula.html

[18:16] Francis Cave: https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.4-part4-formula.html#__RefHeading__1018898_715980110

[18:16] Svante: All HTML files have been updated today to reflect the latest editors work

[18:20] Svante: Francis came up with an editing suggestion as the proleptic Gregorian is no longer part of ISO.

[18:24] Svante: Yellow in the spreadsheet are the latest changes - visible for the public, and editable for us



[18:25] Svante: 5. Working down the query "project = OFFICE AND fixVersion = ODF-Next AND proposal is not EMPTY AND Âtype = Bug" - 19 bugs in total:
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4098?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%20ODF-Next%20AND%20proposal%20is%20not%20EMPTY
  =
  OFFICE-4098: Default values for draw:dots1-length and draw:dots2-length missing
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4098

[18:29] Svante: Regina: We fix it for ODF 1.5 using the suggested default values!

[18:29] Svante: We accept this issue with target ODF 1.5

[18:32] Svante: We should remove "(Spec snippet included below.)" from the description as it does not exist!

[18:34] Svante: Updated by Francis! thx



[18:36] Svante: 6. OFFICE-3760: Spelling issue in part 2 2.4
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3760
  https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.4-part4-formula.html#__RefHeading__1018926_7159801101
  https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.4-part4-formula.html#ERF
  Not a spelling issue and existing proposal is no update from existing text:
    Suggest to
      - empty proposal box and discuss it later ("ODF later") - unless someone has a proposal.
      - We might want to change the misleading title - not an editorial issue

[18:37] Svante: Regina: In ODF 1.2 it was wrong and already applied in ODF 1.3

[18:38] Regina Henschel: In case someone still sees a problem in the specification of the data type Error (4.6 Error ODF 1.3) or in Error related topics in function specifications, please write a new issue against the current ODF version.

[18:43] Svante: Francis: This issue slipped through was not marked resolved for ODF 1.3



[18:45] Svante: 7 . OFFICE-3475: not place to put RDF in flat ODF document
  https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3475
    - There is no consistent generic (roundtrip) support for flat XML, we might:
      A) allow all possible ODF files to be shown flat
       e.g. map IDs to an ID with (e.g. Path) prefix
      B) Improve flat XML with solely RDF as suggested
        (but extend solution later to generic)
      C) not consider flat XML equal just keep it
      D) deprecated flat XML

[18:49] Svante: Regina added three issues to the comment: https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3475?focusedCommentId=83877&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-83877

[18:50] Svante: Regina suggests to set it as deferred and ODF-Later - restart work when somebody works on this topic and needs it!

[18:50] Svante: We all agree with Regina!

[18:55] Svante: All agree that the RDF-related issues mentioned by Regina are also set to ODF-Later

[18:56] Svante: OFFICE-2577 is being closed as it is duplicated with OFFICE-3475

[18:56] Svante: We put the remaining two RDF related issues on the next meeting's agenda to see if we set them as DEFERRED as well.



[19:01] Svante: Meeting adjourned