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* Regular monthly LEXIDMA TC meeting (Conference Call)
Name * Regular monthly LEXIDMA TC meeting (Conference Call)
Time Monday, 21 September 2020, 02:00pm to 03:00pm WEST
(Monday, 21 September 2020, 01:00pm to 02:00pm UTC)
Description

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Minutes

Scribe: John McCrae

  • approve minutes from August and June meetings
    minutes from June 15 pending, action Simon

Still pending


minutes from August 24 https://markmail.org/thread/zbigcvmuwtnsnghy

Approved

2. Material

discuss normtaive keywords style

[skipped]

Propose a combined design principle based on relational modelling?

No update on Michal’s report, more to be reported for the next meeting.

Non-circularity - avoided in traditional lexicography

  • Problematic for some properties (hypernym) not for others (similar)

  • technical possible to enforce this?

  • circularity in definitions (one refers to another and the other to the first)

  • logical fallacy in relations?

  • OntoLex has technical implementations like this based on OWL. relational databases use business logic rules… common problem, maybe we shouldn’t worry about it?

  • checking circularity of definitions is out of scope (?)

Moving open considerations into design principles

  • Promote “prefer relational modeling to nesting”

  • more flexible and diverse modelling?

    • continue to allow everything, but only allow one way to do it

  • nesting avoids circularity, but relational modelling requires ‘sanity check’ of data

  • personal decision about nesting in entries versus senses - be systematic about it

  • “relation to concept based models”

    • Do we understand what it means?

    • Does this mean that we look only at dictionaries not wordnets and ontologies

      • Semasiological resources only?

      • Doubts about why not to cover wordnets and terminologies.

      • Good standardization of terminological resources already

      • Would still have technical terms in dictionaries but treated as in a dictionary.

  • Some doubts: about relational modelling, is recursion in graph-based (RDF) models different from (XML-like) recursion?

Extend meeting by 30 mins?

  • JM: move the start time to be earlier? 1.30 pm WEST/WET

  • Time zone following European daylight savings time (remains the same European local time after DST elapses), so that the UTC time will change after 25th October 2020. Us will get back in sync in early November..


 

 

  • LEXIDMA TC liaisons and appointement of reps

    • TEI Lex-0 appointement of rep pending

Call for a liaison rep 

[skipped]

 

3. Closing Admin

  • Recap of agreed actions

  • AOB

  • Adjourned [1415 UTC]
Agenda

1. Administrative

  • roll call

 

  • appoint scribe

[need a pool of scribe volunteers to rotate the duty]

2. Material

discuss normtaive keywords style

 

  • LEXIDMA TC liaisons and appointement of reps
    • TEI Lex-0 appointement of rep pending

Call for a liaison rep 

 

3. Closing Admin

  • Recap of agreed actions
    Encouraged contributions to the TC list (lexidma@lists.oasis-open.org) towards the next meeting
  • AOB
  • Adjourn [no later than 1400 UTC]

 
Submitter Dr. David Filip
GroupOASIS Lexicographic Infrastructure Data Model and API (LEXIDMA) TC
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